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Made it to the mountain in 4 1/2 hrs (love Waze). Mountain picked up ~2” today which was a unexpected surprise. 15F but under summit little wind so not so bad. Visibility off of summit was sketch though. Generally all trails Skied awesome. Lapped off top (3.5 blue mountains). Still pumping guns on upper skyward. ROTD was upper wilderness (pic) as it was getting a 21 gun salute and with natural was man/nature pow day. Floaty turns, first of season! Lookout was closed, oh well. Picking up pizza, a ubu ale or three and it’s lights out for me. I’m old [emoji41]

3rd place. $10 gift card, and didn't win the lift ticket. Lost to two 6 person teams. They said "Team PA Ski and Ride Dot Com" six times, so we're spreading the legend. And that grilled cheese, tho . . .

As a past long time season pass holder at JFBB, let me give you the 411 on Jack Frost. This isnt a total dig at JF, but alot of this is why i left for Blue. I will keep any type of comparison to any other mountain out of this. Pros - They do generally have good snow. Grooming is good. Low crowds except for Holiday Weekends. Glades, Elevator, Risk it, Gonzo's Grind, Mad Tree Glade. (more on this later) Easy to score half price lift tickets. The lunch special in the lodge is usually awesome. Powder day in the trees can be awesome. If there is a good base, and you get a good snow, there are normally some areas most people wont venture to to make some nice turns. Cons - Last to open, first to close. Not in their eyes, since Boulder opens first always with Freedom. Frost will always open later than BB. Lifts are slow. No getting around the fact you spend a ton of time on them. Runs are short, they dont really turn either. They really just go pretty much straight down the mountain, yes, i guess you could say Telstar or Solitude turn, but......really? Abuse the glades when they are good, for they are normally short lived. Lets remember, most snow in the glades is blow over, or natural. right now, they should be pretty good. They will start to deteriorate pretty quickly coming up, unless we get a few snows here. 1 warm day and a cold night will solidify the base, but turns them into icy chutes. like i said, abuse them when they are good. Skiing Challenge glade top to bottom seems less likely these days. When the off trail stuff sucks, like due to weather, that place gets small. When the off trail stuff sucks, like due to weather, and they start closing off half of East Mountain and Challange for the race team, that place gets really small. (this is what did the place in for me) The trails really dont have enough sustained pitch to make an overnight dump "epic". Getting to anything with decent pitch requires a trip down something kinda flat. Good snows for Frost are in the 6-8" range. The Elevator, and Elevator glade were not kept up. Phillycore basically petitioned them to clean it out and make it skiable. which they did, like 8 years ago. Since then, they broke the weedeater, and havent replaced it. The video SaltyAnn found is PASR day there, three days after a 16" day. Still fun. One park glade can be good, but one park will always come first. Thunderbolt Glade is the most dangerous glade in PA. What lures people in there i will never know. Its full of big boulders and gets very little snow. I have seen countless people get hauled out of there. JF & BB might be starting to become the red-headed step child of Peak Resorts. Yes, with the Peak Pass, maybe Hunter is in the cards for early season when they are sitting on their thumbs in the Poconos. And in the early season i have the itch to ski, like everybody else, but I have trouble making an early season trip anywhere with some distance to ski 1 or 2 trails. I want my trips to count for something. go when its awesome and 100% open.

They made me pick a team name and I wasn't prepared. Pops and I holding I down for PASR. All 7 people here are gonna hear the plug. If we win and boost the rep of the site we may need to talk sponsorship. Maybe some branded pocket protectors.

Ffs with the costumes. If you need props to be entertaining, you're not entertaining; that's why nobody likes magicians.

Can't wait for NMski to bring his for the PASR party. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Skies a few runs between 10-12 with toast. Great morning. Got crowded just in time for Shadows to arrive. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

head has been coming up with this stuff for years... my '07 iXRC's had the "chip" - when the vibration of the ski got to a certain level (speed) the chip would send pulses to align the electrons in the metal layers to make it torsionsally stiffer http://www.headsnow.co.nz/technologies/skis/intelligence-™-technology it made me a nastar master!

Don't worry after they're married for a year or two they might invite you over for a sleepover to spice up their love life..or at least operate the tripod

We have a pecking order at Blue. On NWDM, JohnnyLaw and I go first. On Switchback, GSS and JohnnyLaw go first. No passing allowed except when RidgeRacer is out of control and passes dangerously close.

Just throwing out the idea. Anyone ever follow the Ski the East Freeride Tour? I don't know if they still do it but a few years back they used to hold events where you'd just send it one some of the steeper/sketchier runs in VT. I think they used to do Castlerock and Jay Peak Face Chutes as well as Black Magic at Magic Mtn. Always looked like a ton of fun and I wondered if there was any interest on these boards to organize something similar. Unofficially, of course. Maybe pick a few of the more interesting/difficult runs in the area and pick a day and have a meet up and just have fun with it. Maybe somebody can bring a bluetooth speaker and the prize can be a case of good beer. I dunno, just a thought. Anyway, looked like a lot of fun and I figured it could be a cool way to organize something in case that sounded appealing to anybody. I know most guys here seem to already know one another and ride together so I hope I'm not butting in. Here's a video for an idea, obviously would not be unofficial and not organized unless somebody actually is interested in putting something together. I'd be all ears:

We can talk about lunch choices if that's more suitable. But not until the sale ends.

Yea they got a decent range. Freedom and tbaum or something.

I'd actually like to see someone really style the dual-slalom mtb course underneath the 6-pack chair at Blue. I think people assume those are ski features then they get in there and are all "wtf am I supposed to do with this...berm?" But a good freestyle skier could make that look rad.

I've never been disappointed with the food there. Great place.

Round 4 was 70s current events. Either 9 or 10 out of 10. Waiting on tallies. Hope we win this giftcard so I don't hafta pay for the drinks. Grilled cheese with tomato soup — sorry, bisque, at Last Run Lounge is legit.

We would have to be blacked out for any of the runs around here to be difficult

Awesome dude. I definitely wanted to go but i work tonight. Next week im down

Thanks Salty!!

No reason to ski a 600 vert ski area with slow lifts when there's a 1,000+ area that's closer with fast lifts. Jack Frost is a good place for those who don't mind skiing slow.

Back from a very fun session at Camelback Mountain. Since my $8.00 Wal-Mart sunglasses broke yesterday, I had to contend with the sun in my eyes on both legs of the drive across I-80. However, it was insanely rad to wear my fighter pilot style Smith goggles all day long, and I looked like a true expert skier on my new but short 170cm RTMs. I arrived at my favorite parking spot near the Stevenson Lift around 9:30 am. The inaugural run on my RTMs was tragic. Not more than 10 seconds after snapping my boots into the bindings, I skied over some thin cover on my way to Stevenson Lift, thereby scratching the perfectly manicured base on my brand new skis before even getting to the lift. My first trail of the day was Nile Mile. The cord was sadly gone for the day, but the packed powder conditions were amazing, and I made awesome turns on my RTMs. The RTMs felt identical to the ones I demoed last week, except I knew in my mind that the 3D glass feature of the 2018 model was absent, and that would likely ruin my skiing experience for the next several years until I could afford the extra $300 for 3D glass. All of the runs were open except for Cliffhanger, Pharaoh, Bactrian, Lower Marc Antony, Pocono Raceway, Uncle Bill’s Way, and The Hump. My favorite run of the day was Big Pocono, which is the steepest intermediate run at CB. Because it was mostly all boilerplate, the gapers stayed away from it, allowing me to make wide turns. After a few runs I think I started carving correctly, and I found the RTMs much easier to move around than the Elons. Overall, an insanely fun and rad day. It was a little busier than I thought it would be, but the lift lines flowed smoothly, and I high-fived Kyle, my favorite lift attendant, for doing a great job pairing me with other rides all day long. The lodge was a mad house at noon, and I could not even find a single chair to sit in, so I had to sit in a hallway near an employee door. Thankfully the hotel is open now, so I can take my breaks there instead going forward. I plan to make another trip tomorrow, and am bracing for the largest crowds of the year. But I’m trying very hard to build a tolerance for large crowds, since I am throwing around the idea of taking a 2 day trip to a New York resort over MLK day weekend. I don’t know yet for sure – I’m thinking Hunter, Windham, or something no more than 3-4 hours.

Sure I want one..when I lived in Maine years ago I dated a Russian girl and they're great!!!! Plus the language barrier is actually an advantage to somebody like me with foot in mouth disease.

Beats "war with Russia" on all fronts.

Salty you know you're gonna get a pass at Blue next month. What other place offers so much for $449 or maybe $519

I watched this.

Yeah it helps just watching someone better to see their form. Invest in a lesson if you really care about getting better with proper form. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

No need to be ashamed..

Or your balance sucks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Blues glades range from wide open to some of the most intense tree shots east of the Lehigh river and west of the Delaware. I sometimes wish I was on 170s for the tight trees as I sometimes get stuck on my 193s

How did you ski through the forest without hitting trees..ski good or eat wood bahahaha

you carve??? Nice that you've advanced from the pocono shuffle you were doing 2 weeks ago!!!

That's the warm day this week. Break out your bikini

Conditions over the past week made up for the lift issue last sunday. Everything skied great today.

Agreed. A lot of us use Hestra gloves, but they aren’t warm enough for everyone. 🙄

Hottronics FTW. No reason to look any further, or start a new thread that goes for 10 pages, but really goes no where.

So here was my technique for advancing kids on steeps. They started out real tentative, mostly going from one side of the trail to the other and only deacending a little each time. Then I explained to them that since there was a flat after each steep, once they got part way down the steep they could "let it rip" straight down and slow themselves on the flat. They started on each steep asking me when they could "let it rip" and proceeding down with complete confidence once I told them it was ok. As the next step, I suggested they use their own judgement as to when it was OK to "let it rip" and they started doing that. Then I explained they could "let it rip" from higher up on the steep if, instead of just going straight down, they switch their weight from ski to ski while going straight down. So they could make small esses, but not the trail wide traverses they had been doing before. And soon they were doing it on a double black. Pretty good progress for two 10 year olds on one cold day.

I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think you've kind of reached the point where most people don't really care about what you post and are only (if that) looking for a spot to troll the troller.

177s would have just floated right down that due to the increased surface area.

Doing a 2nd Montage day, since our hotel was 3 miles away and we woke to see at least 2" of fresh had landed last night (and is still coming down) on top of the nice surface from yesterday. Bomus that virtually nobody is tracking it up. Long Haul is running and serving the least tracked up run. Conditions are so nice I may take my girls on one of the double blacks (Smoke) today, which would be a first for them.

If I hadn't met you, I wouldn't believe you were for real.

Look Steeze I could see your house from Bear Creek the other night.

Cannonball was a real sweet run for my girls. Once we discovered it we stayed there for our last 5 runs. Nice surface on it and decent steeps but the are a 4 step staircase so they could let it rip down a steep then have a flat to pause between them. We are on the fence between staying and doing Montage again tomorrow and following original plan of hitting JF tmrw. Leaving the decision to my daughters. This is the first time I have ever gotten a hotel in Poconos in ski season as I always have day tripped here.

I was under the impression that they only let them on one trail and then closed that one to skiers. Guess I haven't paid too much attention to the airboard world lately. Glad to see that Montage is making some serious progress with terrain expansion. I was up that way for Christmas but didn't get a chance to get on the snow.

wait, they let these guys on the slopes with the skiers? lol thats insane. now i kinda want to go to check out the carnage

They should not have slopes open at the same time to skiers and folks on those "air board" sleds. The boarders have no control as they speed down the slopes. One took me out below the knees like a bowling ball does to a pin. Glad it happened to me and not my kids, but it is a ridiculous hazard to have, especially on green slopes. Complained to guest services that they need to segregate the airboarders to keep skiers safe, especially young beginners.

You guys are unreasonable. First, he's trolling you. He appears to trust the shop better and thinks that he knows better what skis he needs, and you're all locked into wide and long period. Second, he's freaking right to ski 170 as a beginner (if he's really a beginner). He's gonna keep the skis for only a season or two and then will decide whether to go longer or shorter. Beginners are not supposed to be skiing stiff and long, it's pointless. He would be just going straight all the time and beating his speed records. Not only is he OK with his 81/170, but his radius is also medium at 16. A 14 would be even better. Third, you all actually know that his choice is OK very well as I've seen some very sound comments here from people who actually take time and write a good paragraph or two. Except that those paragraphs often need to be taken with a grain of salt because salty isn't you. Meaning take your extreme numbers and downscale a bit for his abilities and weekend daytime skiing conditions. Finally, he didn't try 177, and he can't extrapolate what he felt at 170 to longer skis. He removed guesswork from the equation and chose to buy something that he'd be able to ski with confidence over the season. All of the numbers are academics, advising someone to buy a ski based on how tall he is is bullshit. Weight matters much more than height. W/o trying you can't know how the ski will behave. There are also a lot of numbers that are not published like torsional stiffness. Atomic sometimes writes longitudinal one, but never torsional. And that affects ice grip. Flex distribution also means a lot. He could've I guess asked one of you who already skis RTM, picked his brain and adjusted for himself, but nobody here skis RTM. And so this thread is completely pointless.

I have a ski stretcher at my house, I dont think we will be able to stretch the 170's up to a 177, but Id bet we could be able to get them in the 175 range. For a good case of beer Ill let you borrow it and we can kill this debate.

Hitting Montage tomorrow and Jack Frost Saturday with my girls. Spending the night between at the Hampton Inn by Montage.

The parking lot misses you PC. You can use my buddy pass anytime.

Did you buy the damn skis yet? This is the dumbest fucking thread on this stupid piece of shit site. The second problem is that you're buying Volkl's, get a pair of Kastle BMX 115's with a set of pivots and be done with it.