so, oddly enough, no ice on the BBQ, which is what i use as a gauge. no ice on the deck. no ice what so ever on the truck. but the untreated roads in the development were slicker than snot on a door knob. i bailed on the 534 route after i read that 534 was Icy death on FB, but thats kinda normal FB talk from people up here. took the turnpike down to palmerton after sliding out of the development onto 903. Now reading the fun comments on the community FB page about how people are going to sue the POA for not treating the roads. People up here are truly assholes.