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What are you talking about? Did Camelback join Epic?

Epic Local for us. At that rate it is worth sticking with them and keeping some PA options No way it is worth it to save a little $ on getting Epic NE, as I would spend way more than the difference skiing the blacked out holiday days, let alone losing coverage for a CO trip.

Early reports suggest Vail will announce tomorrow that all passes for next year will be 20% cheaper than this year.

Varies state by state and based on specific facts. Most likely shields them from ordinary negligence but not gross negligence / reckless endangerment - but some ski states may have enacted statutes making them more broadly applicable than other contractual liability waivers. In the end there is no certainty ever as to how a court would rule, parties are unlikely to push this all the way to a jury (aka coin flip) and really the presence of the waiver is a factor for attorney defending ski area to cite in arguing for a lower $ settlement.

Didn't see CBk on the list of ski areas at linked EPR site. Expecting to most likely switch from Vail this year but waiting for tomorrow's announcement to decide. If Blue did go Vail I can't imagine how crowded their peak times would be.

Interesting stuff. Given a bunch of the properties on that list are on Epic pass I expect it could mean Blue going Epic and be announced Tues as part of the Epic pass announcement. Kind of doubt Epic would continue VIP line as they aim for consistent operations.

Some chatter on AZ about CBk owners maybe buying Blue before next season. You folks hear anything about this?

I figure there was not much point BB playing its very limited early & late season game with Big Snow in town 365 days a year offering indoor version of Freedom. At least they are open later than they were last year Really there is no competition for Epic for folks who want a pass that covers both unlimited PA skiing and unlimited great skiing.

Dunno gotta have a little sympathy for the 70+ skiers who are too broke to move to the Rockies when they retire

I certainly ski less vert most times I ski PA. One day at Frost this year the lines were so bad I gave up around 4k, and Liberty was so dull I gave up before 5k. Often also ski less vert at the places with nice enough conditions for me to want to venture into trees or bumps regularly, as they slow me down considerably.

Cool - not claiming to be setting any amazing records - just enjoy tracking my own progress.

Current projection is through 4/11

I think I did 3 on the Flyer and the rest pretty evenly spit between west, north, F and D (the double to right of Flyer). It was actually the most I ever skied in a day by just a hair - a little over 24k vert - and put me over my 400k for the season - also a personal best, though I expect to hit about 550k this season unless some of my plans get cancelled.

Lines not too terribly long at Hunter this weekend. Got 23 runs in Sunday.

No have not been to Blue this year. Bummer VIP perk no longer useful and that it is so over crowded. Hard to see what else one would base pass pricing on other than the main competition it faces - buying day tickets or buying a comparable local mountain's pass. I knew when I.saw day ticket prices go up that pass hikes would follow. This year's pass cost less than 4 day tix after they raised day prices. That couldn't last.

Hard to see unlimited skiing as over priced when it costs less than 6 weekend 8 hr tickets - and includes preferred lift access which doubles the runs one can get per hour at peak times. And they match their closest competition Cbk. The only thing I would fault them for on pricing is not offering a cheaper option good only nights and weekdays - as Cbk does.

It's colder I'll give you that - and there are more wind holds at higher elevation. Reduces the freeze/thaw issue though cause it's not like it doesn't freeze often South of VT. Definitely the conditions I have skied in VT have been better than those I have skied in NY or PA this winter. And the terrain is so much better than PA it's silly. In PA I regularly call it a day when I get bored of the terrain. That has never happened in VT. But please do your best to keep the crowds at Blue 🙂

Sugarbush 4-18-19

Plenty of skiing from the summit of Sugarbush that is not bad at all for those as capable as my girls were just before they turned 12 (the year we had our Blue passes) - and this was in mid April so it wasn't exactly full coverage.

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Ikon Base pass is not even worth considering for me - even disregarding holiday black outs as definitely would use all 7 days at Windham with it being by far the closest option. Leaning towards full Ikon over ORDA pass though - especially due to it covering a CO trip too.

IKON full pass Adult 999 13-22 739 5-12 319 (-100 for up to 2 kids per adult) IKON base pass (holidays blacked out) Adult 729 13-22 559 5-12 179 For VT/NY skiing (most relevant to me) there are unlimited days at Stratton and Sugarbush, and up to 7 days (5 with base pass) at Windham and Killington On sale March 11 Includes limited Spring skiing - most relevant to me is Sugarbush starting 4/5

I'd much rather get the no black out pass to Belleayre Gore and Whiteface for $809

It is certainly the best deal out there if you like to ski it, and I def like deals and it is not too far from me, so the fact that it doesn't interest me and didn't even when I lived 30 miles from it says a lot. In a nutshell - Bear Peak - Last time I was there was pretty much all terrain park. I'm not into spending much time doing terrain park runs - fail. - Middle Peak (Granite?) - used to have the only decently steep run at the place, I believe it was called Pipeline. They eliminated the run. - fail. Vernon Peak - main lift requires you to take your skis on and off after each short run, stand up the whole way up, and unlike other lifts with those drawbacks you are still unsheltered - fail Plus, as best as I recall, no real bumps or glades and the lodge in the non-terrain park side is a tent. And the place gets mobbed.

Boring and Crowded and home of my least fav non surface lift - their Cabriolet. Not too close, there are places I can get to quicker that I prefer. Like Blue, Camelback, Jack Frost and even Shawnee. When I lived 45 min from Mountain Creek I more often skied Hidden Valley half a mile away.