I have never rode at camelback and probably won't, all I hear is negatives about the place , ski patrol, crowds, the park sucks. Sounds like the only thing they have going is their lifts which I heard are quite nice, wish some other spots would get new lifts. I guess i'll just stick to Blue (freeriding) and Bear (park). As well as the ocassional trip to jf/bb and elk. As for the C-rail I know Bear Creek has a C-box.