paul45

Not Friday.. Got school age kids. Did 4 hours Saturday and another 3 Sunday before the rain. Little slushy but not bad considering the temperatures.

Website is one of those domain name placeholders this morning... Hope they didn't wake up to see how much snow got washed away and just give up and declare bankruptcy then and there!

Interesting article I thought the folks on here might find interesting, given ole Joe's investment patterns (read: lack of) in lifts: https://www.midwestskiers.com/post/fixed-grip-highspeed-why-so-many-midwest-hills-go-fixed#:~:text=At the time of installation,for a small ski resort. Something to ponder on your 15 minute scenic ride at Fall festival this weekend.

@rummy thank you. I unfortunately confirmed this elsewhere. There was apparently a deeded version that goes with the property. Don't know any real numbers yet. So...I know what to ask. On one hand, seems completely bonkers to get involved in at all. On the other... There ain't real estate at that price that close to any other mountain that's within 2 hours of the city... Not even close... Argh... Whole thing is absurd.

We actually really enjoyed the mountain :-). Thought they did a great job with snow making and grooming. Admittedly, the lifts are not quite at modern standards.... Just slow enough to feel slow and just fast enough (without disconnecting) to leave your legs a little bruised, hahaha. But otherwise we really liked the mountain (for a family with kids).

Wouldn't let me edit the previous post but....FYSA If you look on the Susquehanna county property maps (https://susqco.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3685466c65fb4a9bb628d7d24849ff4e) that sign is on landed opened by "Moore Motors, Inc" which Google indicates was a Philadelphia Volkswagen dealer in the 60s and I can only imagine is the legacy family business of Joseph Moore (80 year old Elk mountain owner). Someone in a post on this board from years ago speculated that part of the dispute involved him wanting to build condos and needing an access way though the village. That property map at least supports that theory. There's a plot behind the village that runs up along the east side of the mountain (certainly plausible for slopeside condos) also owned by Moore Motors. And the village property indeed would prevent the continuation of Elk mountain road to access that property. So... Doesn't confirm it but also doesn't deny it. The head scratcher... Not really sure why high end real estate up the hill would be bad for the village anyway. Rising tides and all. Particularly as a negotiation point for the reopening of perhaps deeded walk on access. But as you said.. The whole thing just makes no sense, no business sense for Elk, no sense for the VOFS owners... There just seem such obvious negotiations that could greatly benefit everyone.

@Old Geezer Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Really appreciate you taking the time to write it out Yes, we were there at a friend's families place and saw the sign. Quite...eh... Ridiculous, petty, really few words to describe it 🙂 Didn't think about hiring a local lawyer to look into it. My email to the HOA resulted in a simple "we can't provide any information on ongoing legal disputes". But perhaps a lawyer has better ways if ensuring they say what the current status is. Other than locking the gate (obviously their prerogative) everything else seems blatantly discriminatory and illegal to offer something to sale to all but a subset of the public based on residency. But you've got to imagine someone's already gone the legal route on that front. So the reason I think it might have changed... Our friends mentioned they didn't used to be allowed to buy parking passes but now they can. They certainly had one this year. No one in their family has tried to buy a season pass for many years though (nothing to do with the disputes or being "allowed" to... So no firm evidence there). Perhaps real estate at those prices at the base of a mountain two hours from new York is too good to be true. Thanks again... Will try the lawyer route if we decide it's still worth proceeding. But definitely still interested to hear from an owner that has either purchased or been denied any particular product in the last year or two.

Hey, I searched these forums and haven't found anything in the last 5+ years. Are these still on going VOFS/Elk Legal disputes? Browsing properties and getting mixed info from realtors, info online, etc...? Gate is still closed? Homeowners can/cannot buy season passes? Had a realtor tell me homeowners were holding property in LLCs to get around that!? But Searched the susq. county parcel map and couldn't find any evidence that was true - nearly all were still held in individuals names. Still open lawsuits? Or the ones settled on appeal in 2014 or so is the end of it? Gate closure Lake water usage Sewer line Any issues I missed? Seemed like a great community... but that's a heck of a lot of nonsense to deal with. (And a seemingly miserable buisness decision.. but seems to be based more on interpersonal conflicts than business) Thanks! Appreciate any info from current VOFS owners.