i have to disagree. they are 85 in the waist and are good allmountain skis. the fujative, which i have, is 85 in the waist and are mainly park skis. the pe's are great allmountain skis. go search on newschoolers and you should find all you need.
p.s- to all you fat waist haters im geting line moships which at 90mm in the waist for next year