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sooooo you searched boys peeing for what purpose? want to try that slander angle again??? what was the threat?

nevermind.......... i have my answer...... so back on topic.... does any one have the number of the Lackawanna Conservation District. I want to do my civic duty...

naaaaa.. I want to hear why ski is searching 30 pages to find boys peeing..

Just a recap............... Here were your first ignorant off topic posts ski... you are so............ it amazes me...... wake up white boy, in my opinion you are more a hinderance than a asset to the skiing community. may be someone will shake personal parts in front of your daughter like they did to my son, so that you have something new to focus hhahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaa you are so busted...... what the hell are yyou doing searching that? uh huh.................................. search boy peeing all the time do ya?? hahhahahahahahahaha

read the thread.. dick errrrrrrrr King Cole???? you were the one who got off topic and onto a personal level... Do you really want me to quote you? or would you like few doug moments to edit your post....

wow... I was feeling kinda randy and was going to reply with a personal atttack like ski does to me and mention that................ since he was out taking pictures of underage.............. and how and why he got shanked............. and why he lives in some obscure little wishful hideaway................ wondering what if, his off spring hadn't gottten off into substances............. but since he seems to have finally shut up.. I won't There is not point in rebuttals to his nasty little tirades about my employment or my family or about where my expertise lies.. King Cole grow some pineapples will ya!

wow... you figured me out.. I am stupid and don't know nuthin, I made all those regulations up. I have no experience at all. I only do this to get under your skin. Thats the only thing I do well. Question: When and who got the last trail expansion completed? Not Widening, that doesn't count, not connectors either. All you have to do is look at the history in PA and realize that new trails rarely happen in PA for what reason(s)?

Inserting a plan would be far more helpful than reading all of that.

Like I said I am sure the new owners know exactly what they are doing. I am sure that the county has all the say and authority to approve what ever they want.. ha! Schiff.. the one thing schools don't teach is the politics and diplomacy of the submission and subsequent approval process at each municipality. Small projects like 2 acres are typically simple and go quick. Are montage's proposed trail expansions over 25 acres? ---- interesting that 2 acres is currently having huge run off problems. the plans were approved 1/05 how long did it take to get them that approval point? I'm doing the math. 2 years from design to completion for a 2 acre improvement? ---- interesting that 2 acres is currently having huge run off problems. the plans were approved 1/05 how long did it take to get them that approval point? I'm doing the math. 2 years from design to completion for a 2 acre improvement? No money?? I doubt that, I bet there was arguments over the extra billing due to the storm water run-off problems and instituting the BMP's not on the plan as mandated by periodic inspections by the LCD. Schiff - you will see soon enough when you start hitting all those projects.

I am not an expert ski..... I do not have engineering degrees. But I am an expert in getting approvals for developments that require earth disturbance. Things may be different up there than they are down here. I really don't know. I do know this. The tides and tributaries are owned by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. These streams are the reason for the stringent STATE permitting process. Unless the commercial property that you spoke of had land development plans for the trail expansion then there is no way an neighboring property can piggy back on that permit. It has nothing to do with the what the County wants or expects. Keep in mind that you have an executive council that is probably handling this sale. Last time I checked, no council has the authority to override the Conservation Districts regulations. The NPDES came from the EPA. Most states now handle this federal regulation through the Individual states and then subsequently by the County conservation districts, while it possible that the LCD is in the pocket of your County Council, it is highly unlikely. If someone is publicly saying that since the neighbors are building, then so can you is badly mistaken, unless, the controls have already been designed and approved for the trail expansion. BTW approved development plans are community information, the court house has them.

The parade hasn't started. I'm just the weather forecaster. The state and feds and the conservation districts are the rain. Whether or not it storms is pure hypothetical guesswork. I posted these regs because I know the number one hold up to trail expansions. Take your beloved Blue for example, what do think is really holding them up? No money? No contractors? or No permits? which one is most likely? Some of you would be surprised to see the criteria for allowing earth disturbance over 1 acre in relation to storm water run-off controls. The complexity becomes expotential when you are dealing with steep slopes, combine that with acres of rock along with inexperienced developers and you have the word DELAY written all over the project. The often temporary controls and sequence of construction that are neeeded prior to the actual clearing are all engineered to 100 year storm plans that are very costly to create and get approved. Forget the hardcosts of temporary sediment basins, diversion berms and swales along with miles of silt fence that have to be installed before one tree can be removed. Those engineering plans when estimated are the hold up. Not only do you have to prove that you have the money, you have to escrow an additional equal amount as insurance in the event that the developer does not complete the work. If you know where the potential problems and pitfalls are, you can fix them before it becomes crisis management which usually just ends up with nothing getting done but a bunch of finger pointing. We can only hope that sno mountain in thier million dollar speculative proposal got their engineering done. I doubt it though. Would you believe that all of our development plans that have slopes over 20% are called prohibitive slopes and are shaded dark grey? That means basically, we can't even look at them let alone touch them. This is mandated by local and county. Now imagine this Doug, what if the trail expansion doesn't happen for the reasons listed out above. Wouldn't I feel like a real ass for not letting someone know? This is why if I was in the counties shoes, I would have gone with Sno-Time. Thier proposal is likely to be much more realistic since they are already in the business - the snow business, not water park, just snow... You see, I predict that there will be a water park at Montage and that that will be the new owners focus. Not there is anything wrong with that. it sounds like new guns are coming along with groomers and facilities to handle the summer masses. I just wanted you guys to have the info/ammo to make sure that the new owners hold true to thier promise of trail expansion. Of Course.... All of this is probably moot because the new guys know exactly what they are doing and how much it costs because they spent a million dollars doing so.

sooooo.. back on subject... when did they say the trail expansions are planned for? There are so many approvals needed that I am not sure that I can list them all. I doubt that the new owner has applied for the permits. They can't apply until they have an agreement of sale in place. (equitable owner) - The first one is the NPDES which is the federal. then it goes to PADEP which is the state agency that governs earth disturbance. Ski, I am sure you are right though. Lackawannadoseofreality is well above earth disturbance permits as evidenced by all the mining operations. The fed and state have other things to worry about than a little bit of treeclearing in lackawanna.

yeah yeah yeah and I take pictures of high school girls and brag getting some compromising shots on the internet.... talk about creepy.... and booo hooooo I provided the facts as I know them too. You miss the part where I say I want to be wrong... didn't you? you shallow little............. go take some more pictures and send me some would ya? futhermore... ahahhhhhhh aaaaa the real ski comes shining through. you make me proud.

if CB was super easy what was blue?.. smurfy?

thats where the extra 100 foot is, correct? I'm not sure.. but isn't that tubing park just about the right grade for a super pipe?

naaaaaaaaa just a little dose of reality that I want to be wrong on. If they can fast track Federal and state permits on major amounts of earth disturbance, then I want to know how.. Thats all.... nothing to argue assssss. euphoria is a glorious thing until the "WTF... you said.... " happens

Just thought you might be interested in the link below. All it takes is one fanatic (tree hugger) in the county conservation office to make getting approvals difficult. "the county" will have its hands tied by the other regulatory bodies (Fed and state). Lackawanna's conservation office appears to be staffed by volunteers. I deal with these types of regulatory offices all the time. There has to be a skilled staff educated with these permits or it will drag out forever. Probably like you said, it's in the bag... I just am painfully aware of the development process. The permits can't be filed until there is an equitable owner. If you do the time line math for each permit, assuming that everything is accepted the first time. well Best wishes. http://lccd.net/contents.htm

I hope so for the sake of the new owner and the people who are looking forward to the expansion of Sno Mountain. NPDES (federal code) requires that any disturbance over 1 acre have an application for a permit filed. That permit then goes to the state DEP which then typically goes to the county, in a lot of cases the munincipal authorities also get involved. Google grading permits, they are far far far more complicated than they have ever been, for good reason.. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch...

Whats his deal anyway? He gets stuff on flow and then sells them or what?

Did they talk about snowmaking for the new trails in season two's upgrades? PADEP - typically, clearing on slopes over 10% is prohibited with out local, county and state sedimentation and erosion plans. IF there are any violations (sediment leaving the site) - it can get very serious as far as cease and desists are concerned.

all of the time. I have yet to see one though. enviromental permits take the most time. Thanks!

First!!! woot!! you got our footage! I really liked that "holiday" edit you did of Boyer and Nipples. I think the best footage I got was nipples from the lift over the first jump.

The bigger the group the better!!!! Nipples now knows tons of people. Keep your eye on the COC website, there are deals to be had for early registration. Check out some of my other posts from last year.