Yeah I agree my uncle is a snowmaker there also. They won't start making snow until they are sure that the weather is going to stay cold. They also don't start blowing until the ground is frozen rock solid and I know that for a fact. That is why shawnee always loses snow at the end of the season because they don't allow the ground to freeze before they make snow. There is a strech of cold weather beginning next week but that is marginal if they will start they probably won't. Its like 1 in a million chances they will open the last week of november. They will open early december like usual.