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I think the difference is Camelback makes proactive decisions where as the other mountains take the hands off ski at your own risk approach. That pisses a lot of us off because we generally know a bit more about the sport if we care enough to find a website about it - but their approach probably is safer for their customer overall. However I think (in my non-expert opinion) that it leaves them open to more liability because you get the question - well you closed the lift on this day, and the pipe on this day, and since this was open I went down it and got hurt assuming it was safe because it was open. Where as if you where at Mountain Creek and hit a rock in the pipe because it was foggy - their lawyers would say it was open everyday ski at your own risk. The lawyer for the plantiff against Camelback would say - it was closed on Feb 25, 2007 for fog, but not on this day, and my client got hurt becuase of a negligent decision.

Its actually only $5 for the whole season yet it works wonders. A lot of people think its $5 per day so they don't buy one but you do it once and your done for the year and it eliminates 90% of the people from the park. I was up there 25 days last year and 25 days the year before and I never have heard someone who belonged in the park complain about the park passes.

Yea the blacks aren't steep at all and intersect with a green trail halfway on vernon so even though the mountain has a lot of vert compared to PA mountains - it is not extended fall line at all. The best runs are from the top of Vernon to the base of Granite which is green/blue the whole way but feels long and you can get a lot of speed for it. The best trail overall is Devil's Bit on Granite - usually uncrowded with good conditions and is steep for a good amount of time. There is nothing steep on South for the most part and Bear has two good trails but they are always closed so the race team can use them - and the vert is like 600 feet. The park is being run mostly by newbies this year. (not really new to parks, but new to being in charge) which is why the park is so empty. They have good setups because they have built them in the past but it is time consuming and they are on a learning curve this year. In their own words: Next year they should be better but I'm still switching to one of the PA mountains I don't have the time in january to be sitting around holding a season pass to a mountain that isn't open. No matter what Mountain Creek does for snowmaking they will still be a few degrees warmer than the PA mountains and that is all the difference it takes. They can and used to have a park superior to anything in PA, and I think the park they had in the past few years was several times better than what JFBB put up this year if only because they had so much vert you could make great long runs, a park pass sytem that worked, and they had a superpipe that was amazing. Without the pipe, and with a partial park it is kind of a toss up. The park pass is still a bonus and the vert hasn't changed but they have eliminated the park at South and haven't put much on Vernon so, its about 1/2 the park it usually is.

Um - thats the name of the company. And he didn't make it up its posted by a hundred different people online. http://www.parkcitymountain.com/winter/com...PressRelease-16

Boards break, the better you get the more you break I won't deny that part. I've broken 3 in 4 years and 3 pairs of bindings (well I broke my MIssions about a hundred times) But not waxing a snowboard to me is a huge mistake no matter how much you ride park. If anything I say it is more important in the park because come march every ounce of speed you can get counts when it gets super slushy.

don't judge it by this season, probably the worst in 5 years - although the park is still solid, its almost equal to JFBB but usually its better.

Good work, it doesn't do shit if you don't wax it. An extruded base with wax is faster than a sintered without. You could have the fastest base material in the world, if there is no wax on it it will be slower than the cheapest. Sintered base is more durable - but put a layer of wax over anything and it will be more durable because the wax gets scraped off before the ptex does. Sintered base is more repairable - but if you don't even bother waxing you definately don't bother with a stone grind and ptex and all that. So why are you wasting your money on sintered bases even if they are no last years models? If you saved $50 by buying 1 cheaper board you would have covered everything you need to wax it. So basically to me you just look dumb. Its certainly your choice but I have no respect for your opinion on gear if you don't even bother to wax your shit.

The Jibpan is definetly stiffer than the WWW. If you are on a Jeremy Jones now the WWW is hugely softer. I can press the WWW about 3-4 times more than my Jeremy Jones. I'd say if you can press a bit with the JJ go with the same size or like 2 cm smaller, if you can't even really press that go 4 cm smaller.

Go with a 149 or 152 I would say the WWW as well. The GNU Boxscratcher is a good bet as well but the WWW is kind of the standard.

You know the wax prevents a lot of scratching right? I wax every 4-6 days of riding on my regular board and at least that on my park board. If you wax it you won't get those super fine scratches just the gouges, then you ptex that and its good to. Untill you snap the board it will ride much better and slide much smoother over rails. As for him getting a cheap/wrong size board - you break them in the park no matter what quality you buy, but I still wax the board. Its cheap and the differance between a waxed and unwaxed board is a bigger difference than the right and wrong snowboard. People spend ages talking about which board to get - but if you don't wax it you might have just bought a piece of crap anyway because thats what you are riding. The biggest difference in board feeling is how much fiberglass and size, so a biaxial versus triaxial board is a huge differance. The big difference between a cheap and expensive board is the base material - yet you see people riding expensive boards with no wax going slower than cheap boards with wax. The only thing holding people back from waxing is cost, if you have an iron its cheap but if you have to pay someone else to do it then it is expensive. And rub on wax doesn't do shit.

I end up with the clear lenses on overcast a lot of days, I can't ride without goggles though my eyes tear way too much and I feel like a gaper with my goggles up while wearing a helmet.

Do you believe that? If someone is open in April I will be there every fucking day. I can ride again around March 30th although I should probably go to a doctor and get checked out before I do and skip on the terrain park - but still I don't remember anyone in our area ever being open in April.

Yea I've built 2 boxes and a rail and was very happy with them. Not hard at all, they took about 3-4 hours each to build + if you want to paint them.

Actually of the examples I think Bear Creek's is the best - almost no one has the map like BC does. The blog is nice too. I was going to say you should put a link on the main page so people know where to find this info - but its right htere in the lower right.

The green carpet is at homedepot super cheap, I've used it before and if its wet it slides ok. Not sure about the checkerboard stuff.

I love Mount Snow, I've been there 3 times now and I can describe it as fun but not challenging. There is some steeper stuff but nothing steeper than anything you find in the poconos, basically it is just a mountain twice as high as ours and great for cruising. It is fun to bring out people who are a strong blue/lower black skier in the poconos and take them up there and do long runs with them as opposed to going to a mountain where it is too steep and there are only like 4 options for that level skier. While I like the more challenging stuff elsewhere Mount Snow is like a relaxed ski vacation for me.

Ski911 - want it in positive constructive criticism? How bought you go here: http://www.paskiandride.com/forums/index.p...=7892&st=20 its only 2 topics under this one and in it are 4 photos with detailed descriptions of what is better about those jumps - posted by me, and a post by papa showing in comparison a jump at camelback. We also played that game with the flat-down rail in a different thread and i'll look for it. As for trolling in those threads - skizilla's one and only response to the criticism? "bla bla bla whine whine whine ... we'll see next year" papa's response? about a half dozen posts - some fighting skizilla, but others talking about optimum landing angle (32 degrees) and other finer points of jump grooming. I dunno, but from my perspective skizilla you look a lot more immature than papa does and Ski911 I agree with you the ripping on CB doesn't do anything - and there is nothing I can do to limit that, but don't say no one is offering constructive criticism because I look around for pictures to show in contrast to your stuff all the time because pictures are a thousand times clearer than words in these matters.

Ski - get over losing the best reports on the site are Doug's (grilledsteeze .... at the moment) at Blue, he is not a mountain rep. The reason why he ripped the Camelback ones so damn hard was that they were being posted by someone who hadn't skied the mountain yet that day - so it was BS. If your up there so much, where are your reports? When I was able to ride I posted about everyday I went up, I haven't seen one trip report from you yet so either your leaching the forum (the only thing I have seen was attacks on papa), or you don't ski. So which one is it? Are you part of the community or are YOU the troll?

Because if you want to talk about a group of people that really piss off everyone else on the mountain - its the 13 year olds going down a hill on ski blades with jester hats on. Not saying thats what the sport is at the upper levels, but thats what I and most people think of when they first think of ski blades. And I'm sorry dude, I'm not calling it ski boarding because it has nothing to do with a board. If anything is ski boarding it would be back country touring with a split-board. I think I permanently hate ski bladers because one told me in all seriousness he went to Alta on skiblades but had to stick to the easy stuff because he was sinking. And I'll never get to go to Alta on a snowboard - but they let a ski blader in, that kills me.

Freedom Park @ BB, Sugar Park at MC, Khyber Pass @ MC, even Flying Fox & Exhibition at MC are super flat and they have great parks built on them of the size range we are talking about. A 20 foot table top can be built with a drop in ramp and you will have plenty of speed, and you probably don't need anything bigger than that at Camelback (and I don't think they have anything much bigger than that now)

The only flaw in that logic is that for Peak - JFBB is their 2nd biggest mountain until the Mount Snow/Attitash buy AFAIK, and they didn't sell the smaller ones when they moved on. I think it is a horizontal expansion rather than a "climbing the ladder' type of buying up of mountains. Especially after just having invested the money, the return on investment for that kind of snowmaking system is not 3 years, it is going to be longer. I also don't see why they would want to back out of the JFBB deal after 5 if they were making money, sure they can be training managers here and putting them at Snow, but there are more people in the world to be hired to fill positions here, its not like Peak has 100 guys and only 100 guys and will never have more. Investors love to see growth (until like the ASC and Ford debt and entitlement obligations overwhelm everything and debt management becomes the primary focus), so buying one mountain and selling another profitable one - that won't generate a sale price if they are only leasing it - doesn't make any sense.

Thats all probably very true. There aren't many worthwhile investments left at JFBB anyway - the snowmaking was #1, lifts aren't all that important because there aren't really lift lines, the decentralized layout means that one lift upgrade won't make a damn difference at all so that probably won't happen. I doubt they will take any park staff from JFBB up to Mount Snow (maybe they should bring PL back for up there? ha just kidding on that one) because Mount Snow has a good park staff. I think these are all long term decisions though, I don't know if anything will happen up there for next season.

Hey parkbuilder - whats the word on the street up there about Killington being sold? And I'm assuming you say you liked Shawnee better because you had a hell of a lot more control over it - I remember going end of the season (last weekend maybe?) last year and having so much fun in that park despite how fast the snow was melting, you had it going off. The up box to flat-down box was perfect.

And kids thats why friends don't let friends skiblade.

I agree with Timeless. I think based on the comments to the effect of "there isn't any progression from Laurel Glade" and the comments to the effect of "no serious park rat will ever waste their money there when JFBB is 20 minutes down the road" the answer should be a smaller features on the same trail. Keep Laurel Glade as is in terms of difficulty (and improve setups would be nice). Make Rhodo a step up from Laurel but not as high as it is right now. Keep the wall ride as is. Make the flat down have a 1 foot gap. Make the jumps have his/her take offs or smaller ones. Put in some 20 foot flat bars with a 6" gap type deal. Keep the pass to keep it safe and clean, work on the setups. Instead you have a small park and a big park with no middle ground, and no one would want to go to the big park because it is not great - and there is great just down the road. Know your market. Your market is families - maybe one kid wants to throw it down a little in the park but isn't quite ready for a big jump, but is looking for more than the Laurel Glade park for an hour a day. Or maybe it is an afterschool ski club and some of the kids are past Laurel Glade but don't want to hit big things. Thats who you want. Park rats who want to clear a 6 foot gap onto a rail are more likely to take their money elsewhere. I think the pipe sizes are good for the crowd. We know superpipes are actually easier - but they are too intimidating for the market. Don't rush building it next year and it will be great. The good part about this is smaller features = less snow (makes free riders happy because it takes less away from them). Smaller features = safer (better for Camelback), park pass will still have all its advantages, and I think it fits the market much better than what they have, making customers happier.