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it will probably be an ice-chipped event not snow, kinda like the one they did in Atlantic City at last summer.

wonder what they'll bust out, too bad i can't make it

Yea and after working in a shop for a year you should see what people do to rentals if they try the park, we had garbage cans of skis with blown out edges, cracked snowboards etc. When I was like 12 I was on rental skis and I broke 3 pairs in the park so I see why the mountain might not want them trashing their rentals. I believe the ban applies just to JFBB rentals, not the fact that you are renting in general becuase my shop rents out twin tips skis from Line and then some lower end Burton boards for park and those are for kids who are going to trash them in a park.

I didn't think about the weather but your right it rains a lot of times at MC when the Poconos get the snow.

I agree a flat rail would be pretty sick over the top of the Subaru. The cliff sounds interesting we'll see how it goes. I think as of now I'm skipping the season pass to Blue and just going to hit up Blue/Big Boulder/Bear Creek when I'm at school and get one of hte $50 season passes to Mountain Creek for when I'm home. It's going to be interesting with BC stepping it up and the JibLab going to BB, can Blue step up to match? They have the bigger trail and the extra snowmaking but who is making the new jibs? Who is setting up the park?

Ha I wish I could find the quote but A-Basin rep said they wanted to try and actually race Loveland for 1st open this year. And he said something like in the past we've made some snow but this year we have FOURTEEN guns ready to fire. As if that number was high. I know out west they don't make snow like we do here but that just made me laugh. My roommate at college is from Oregon and his home mountain is Mt Bachelor and he's never seen them make snow outside of the park or near a lift before, he didn't even know it was like an option. I can't wait to bring him to Mountain Creek and watch him try to iceskate down the hill for the first time, east coast represent. (Of course I might have to take a trip out and stay with him some time)

how often is there enough snow? From the woods around mountain creek last year I can't think of any time at all I'd consider hitting up stuff like that even though mountain creek (used to) have glades so there are some areas that are cleared out.

Yea mountain creek's Zaugg is the 19' original Super-Pipe, sometimes its a little higher or lower depending on how much snow piled up/melted, but in general it is 19'. Now some places have a 22' pipe, which is sweet. 6 foot is mini-pipe, 11 is a good pipe to not intimdate you on the drop in but still enough tranny to do something. 6 foot is nothing on a snowboard thats like 5 feet long as it is.

maybe he means percentage wise. An extra 25% snow for us is like, 8 inchs. 25% less snow for Utah is like 13 feet less.

Dude, FUCK THAT. Maybe its best in the midwest or something, props to them for that. But seriously FUCK THAT. There is absoluetly no justification for that. I don't even know where to begin on this. I'm not even sure how to respond to that post. So I won't, I'll just post some pictures. But realize we're talking about the best park IN THE COUNTRY.

Thats rediculous. The top ten in Transworld Snowboarding last year wasn't much better.

In all my time riding park I've only used a spotter once. And that was becuase it was my girlfriend who didn't ride park yet and would stand on the deck of the jump to make sure it was clear, becuase it was a super crowded park and I had just hit a kid. It only worked becuase I could see the jump before dropping, this system would never work at Mountain Creek where aside from the first jump you need to drop from a place where you can not see the jump itself. I agree, contradictions won't work. But I also think a spotter would be unnecesary in a system of park passes and park etiquette. If someone in front of me falls, I skip the jump but I usually stop on the deck next to the ramp to see if hes ok and if someone is dropping point to the person so they know to skip it. If someone gets injured leave your board across the ramp so people know (or X ur skis up there), but generally most people fall , slide, and can sit on the side of the trail to catch their breath, the ones who chill in the landing are the problem. Usually it is people who see the knuckle as a great place to sit down and put their board over the edge like a seat, I've run into that a lot. They have no idea its a jump.

I would say almost everytime I've gotten hurt in the park it had to do with other people, when u have to worry about everyone being in places they shouldn't be, getting in the way etc your not focused on what you are doing and then you get wrecked

Hey all thanks for the advice, ended up booking a Condo in Park City. It was ski in/ski out Park City Mountain Resort, $200 a night total room+fees+tickets. Just getting transportation to and from the airport. I want to go hit brighton/snowbird/solitude another year but this is just my first trip out west, and I plan to take one annually from now until the day I die so the deal was good.

Back to the point, all these signs are not intended for people who ride park all day, they are intended for people who never ride park. If the sign is there and bold, then people can't say "I didn't know". Then when you go over a jump and someone is teaching their kid who to ski on a leash on the other side, you can say HEY didn't you read the sign? I'm going to get your pass clipped. Not, hey don't you know park etiquette? And the person replies, yea YOU have to watch out for people below you. And then I say I couldn't see you until I was in the air. And they say, well you shouldn't have been going so fast! Smart Style is worthless, park crew or not this is about Smart Style and I think we need to do something to change it.

I'm going to laugh when after $2 million dollars of terrain park and personell improvements, the terrain park will be destroyed by a billion people using the ramps to rails as mini jumps, causing it to be super shitty, becuase they don't want it to be closed (by park pass) to everyone else. Good job.

Smart Style is fucking retarded. We don't need crpytic messages, we need a sign that says 1) Call your drop 2) Clear landings quickly after falling, don't sit in blindspots 3) Check out features daily before hitting them 4) Only hit things you are capable of 5) You are responsible for your own safety 6) Breaking these rules will get your pass clips not "legs have cute sayings as we try to pretend we're cool"

Yelling is fine but when people throw shit I get mad, there were some kids throwing snowballs at little kids at shawnee on the lift over the park last year and they thought they were hot shit so they got a little bit my elbow to their back as we were riding down the hill. If they could actually ride they might have been able to yell at me but of course they sucked balls so there was no chance in hell of them ever chasing me down. I personally am not a yeller unless someone looks hurt and then theres the "u ok dude?"

Well I'm going out west next year and I'm brining my free ride board and my park board. Assuming I don't break the free ride board, I only expect to use the park board like 4 or 5 hours tops. But it will be a good 5 hours. (Park City Mountain Resort). Otherwise you can find me on this thing called 'snow'. It falls from the sky in some states, just not ours. Thats why we spend our time on metal rails and icy landings, becuase there is no such thing as snow in PA, so you have to find a more challenging way down the hill.

you can't have a pass system if you don't have a pass-less park. that requries two parks at the minimum. the park pass park is then great, the park-less park is then absolute trash becuase there are so many people in it, but thats ok for me.

it requires first educating the ski patrollers on the rules of the park. If a situation comes up where I'm going over a jump and I land and hit someone, the person in the way gets their pass clipped end of story. If the patrollers don't know something basic and take it from the guy using the park, that is a serious issue. Politeness doesn't usually work. Hate to say it but Mountain Creek pre-park pass was basically enforcing park ettiquette by roving bands of hardcore snowboarders scaring the shit out of everybody, i.e. get the fuck out of my way or i'll punch in the face. People want to go see, people want to go try. They see the X games and think oh this looks so easy. I personally just call my drops really loud, try not to hurt people by skipping features if they get in the way, but I also don't just stand there if a person is in a landing or somewhere they shouldn't be. You have to keep telling people and warning people, and so do the patrollers. I still say the fence with a super tight entrance and a sign in front and behind it, so that you can not ski straight in or board straight in will help at least a bit. The sign should also say that you will have your pass taken for sitting in blindspots.

Definately no spectator lane thats not going to work. The pile of snow is good, except it sucks up snow from the park. Mountain creek puts a huge pile of haybales and then covers it with a few feet of snow as the basis for their drop in hill for the superpipe, that hill is about 30 feet high and a good 40 feet wide. The other option is just an orange construction fence. Make the opening just wide enough for one person. stick a sign like 5 feet in front of it that says Terrain Park, Experianced Experts Only, Possible Injury to Spectators Can Result. This way, you can't get into the park unless you pass AROUND a sign, and you have to go through the fence single file. You definately can't accidently get into it. It won't deter all the jackasses but it will deter a lot and that is about a $50 solution.

http://www.myspace.com/jiblab it still has the address of the old one, but new info, took down all the Mountain Creek links/pictures and put up the new logo

oh that must have been early in the year, come when all the park 7 park trails are open and the pipes open and its a differant experiance. The gaps honestly don't bother you after a while, the best part is that they scare off a lot of the noobies so the whole park stays in much better shape. I just wish the JibLab guys built their step down jumps better. They build great tables and hips, but their step down jumps are weak as hell. The tables have great kick, good size. The step downs are like a tiny wedge on a long gap so you bomb it and try to clear it but the height isn't great.

yea its possible you caught mountain creek on an unhittable day. the biggest problem with the small ramps is if you get a rain storm or a hot day and everthing melts down a bit, the lips are just done. There is a fine line between the right streetstyle height and just too fucking high to get onto, that happened at least 2 days I was there this year and a 3rd day they closed the park entirely, but it WAS raining so it happens. I would expect videos from the ParkLogic crew soon, they usually start about now and do like video diaries leading into the season, well at least they have the last few years at MC. They also have a Myspace up right now, only 2 pictures but they're already building. Expect a bunch of pictures of guys welding and cutting, then a picture or two revealing some stuff, then a video revealing more, and then when the season hits you won't even notice that stuff becuase everything else they made is way better. Usually they hype like the biggest things but just the smoothness of the boxes and how clean everything is setup is what really gets you. Who cares if its a 50 foot box or a 20 foot flat rail, when its setup super smooth its all fun.