Glenn

... try college.

Well as a matter of fact, I'm about 16 from camelback, and about 12 from shawnee. Alpine is really close too, but I'm not sure exactly how close.

Right I forgot to take into account the "dampening" they do. I'm sure that accounts for alot. Also I didn't think the speeds would be that much lower. Nevertheless... assuming they wanted to go for distance... poping off a headwall at those speeds instead of absorbing the lip, I would imagine they would still get significant distance.

Ok, we'll keep it simple, I'd love to see Hall eat it on the Hahnenkamm on DH skis too..... That better?

Hmm, a bit like area 51, it appears some posts have shown up missing

Hmm, there must be some factors I did not consider. Maybe the speed at which the go airbourne is not 80 mph (aka not as close to the top speed possible as I initially thought) or maybe wind resistance plays a much bigger factor than I anticipated. According to my calculations they should have been WELL past the 197 foot mark if the "jump" had any kind of significant pitch after it.

Sorry, let me rephrase, they provide better hangtime at low speed compared to headwalls.

If there is a kicker than there is more hangtime. A 45 degree angle upwards provides the best distance, assuming you launch with the same speed. Of coarse you will loose speed when you head up the jump. As far as backflips that has way too many factors involved, such as the excection (how they actually move their body), body type, weight/length of skis, etc etc etc. However, in terms of freestyle sking/boarding hangtime is more important for spins/flips etc than distance. Sure its more insane to do a big spin off a long jump, but in terms of how far one can spin, or how many flips, how long the grab can be held etc etc etc, hangtime is the most important. Jumps provide much better hangtime at low speed.

I'd rather know about how far a DH racer travels in the air off a headwall than what skifreak is eating for dinner.

No, at 80 mph, with a steep pitch, he will drop futher, but that will also give him more air time which equates to further in air travel.

Ok, without all the math and physics lingo here a simple explanation of what happens. When the skier leaves the even ground, he will continue moving across as fast as he was going when he left the ground. So I found how long it would take for him to travel 200 feet across with his "across" speed being 80 mph. Once I knew this time, I figured out how far down you will fall in that amount of time. I then created a right triangle with these two distances being the two non-hypoteneous legs (the two short legs). Using trig I figured out what the angle of trianle, which is the pitch of the slope. If the slope has a greater pitch, the skier will fly further, if the slope has a milder pitch the skier will fly a shorter distance.

Sorry thought the discussion was on hunter/windham

Really? I remember different, and my chat logs concur Session Start (AIM - dthmtluncrn:someguywhoskis): Thu Dec 30 23:08:48 2004 DthMtlUncrn: im still shy by about 10,000 feet DthMtlUncrn: but i should be able to make that up tommorow someguywhoskis: yea, guess what someguywhoskis: im skiing tomorrow someguywhoskis: haha DthMtlUncrn: damn someguywhoskis: i'll be in montana skiing in two weeks someguywhoskis: Alta in three weeks someguywhoskis: vermont in 4 DthMtlUncrn: yeah im gonna be screwed someguywhoskis: haha DthMtlUncrn: well... i can stil shoot for more days someguywhoskis: good luck someguywhoskis: you'll need it DthMtlUncrn: hehe someguywhoskis: i skied a few runs at hunter, but i havent even putt hose in

Hey I was trying to prove he couldn't do it. However, I'm not gonna lie, or withold information.

Ok revision of previous statement Downhillers are definately getting 200 feet of distance when they come over headwalls. I figured this out with simple physics. Here is the work Ok, from the picture you can see how I setup the problem. The Assumptions are as follows. The skier is moving at 35.7632 m/s (80 mph) The skier is on a PERFECTLY FLAT to PERFECTLY PITCHED head wall with a pitch of a. This is not very realistic, but you will find out later it doesn't really matter. The skier needs to travel 60.96 m (200 feet) horizontally. Now in free fall the only speed that is changing is his vertical speed, his horizontal speed remains at 35.7632 m/s (80 mph). I am neglegting wind resitance, but agian this shouldn't make a HUGE difference, and skiers are good at getting aero dynamic. The rate of his "fall" will be 9.81 m/s^2. This is the rate at which gravity pulls us down. ... so now some simple calculations To find the time elapsed with a given speed and a given distance traveled time = distance/speed t = 60.96 m / 35.7632 m/s = 1.704545 s Now to find the distance (d) that one will fall in the time of 1.704545 s. To do this 1/2 * g (gravity) * t (time)^2 d = 1/2 * 8.81 m/s^2 * 1.704545 s = 14.25 m To find the pitch simply use your trig skills. tan a = opposite over adjacent so ... inverse tanget (opposite/adjacent) = a a = tan -1 (14.25 m / 60.96 m) = 13 degrees. Now, a 13 degree pitch is not at all unresonable for a pitch on a world cup dh hill race, in fact I would imagine a 13 degree pitch is actually super mild in terms of world cup dh. This in mind, we can safely ignore the things I discussed above like wind resistance and the perfect flat to perfect pitched slope. So, unless someone find errors in my work, I think we can safely say, bode has aired for more at least 200 feet.

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There is a big difference between hitting a booter at 50 and headwall at 80. No doubt in DH they go fair, but just the stucture of the slope and the way the get into the air is totally different. I'm guessing they aren't going more than 100' .... which is still really freakin nuts.

When we were at BC I don't think I saw one person even get on the wall. They all just impacted. I can't imagine getting to the top of that thing, and like you said airing out 4 feet is rediculous.

Is the board made by 4frnt as well?

Well I don't drink, so there is no danger of that. Where/when/how much? If you don't wanna post that on the board, feel free to pm me.

I am, but I don't know how much.... why do you have something for me? I may be looking for a second job.

Well good luck with that. Hope you enjoy. .... and I thought my summer was going to be expensive.

*cough* whore *cough* Hmm bit of a cold coming on there. So you looking to buy, or were just joyriding? Which ones did you test?

Ditto... I feel like I am betraying my love for winter, because I already have my bike up at school and I think my first ride will be on tuesday, but then again, maybe this is just to make me forget about not being at the mountain.