ARM NAVY Selling BURTON boards for $180

[Robert2]

We had this discussion last month about comparing apples to apples with

the ARM NAVY store in Whitehall selling cheaper prices than Nestors.

 

The ARMY NAVY store sells BURTON FLOW ARBOR and others

and

I just left there tonight with a BURTON AIR that was stickered at $400

and it was on the "LAST YEARS RACK" so the price is 50% off the sticker price.

I paid $212 with tax for a snowboard that other stores are selling for $500 now.

 

They had other boards stickered at $360 so they will sell for $180.

I wonder if Nestors sells their left over from last year Burton boards for $180.

[Glenn]

Those boards are garbage, and overpriced for the quality. Far better off being a better board used.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Glenn

[Saurus]

SERIOUSLY!!!

LEARN HOW TO POST IN THE RIGHT FORUM TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan-]

We had this discussion last month about comparing apples to apples with

the ARM NAVY store in Whitehall selling cheaper prices than Nestors.

 

The ARMY NAVY store sells BURTON FLOW ARBOR and others

and

I just left there tonight with a BURTON AIR that was stickered at $400

and it was on the "LAST YEARS RACK" so the price is 50% off the sticker price.

I paid $212 with tax for a snowboard that other stores are selling for $500 now.

 

They had other boards stickered at $360 so they will sell for $180.

I wonder if Nestors sells their left over from last year Burton boards for $180.

 

 

Actually you bought a snowboard that burton no longer makes.

[Robert2]

Sorry Sauruss ....Which forum topic was this supposed to be in?

 

 

Actually you bought a snowboard that burton no longer makes.

 

Yes... but still..... its a Burton board and me and anyone else shopping boards could never

know the difference between this board and any other Burton board that NEstors, Army Navy, or

Blue Mountain Sports sells... with a jacked up price of $500 to $700.

So how am I supposed to pick a board when you can't try them out before you buy them

and the sales clerks aren't riders... they are sales clerks TOLD what to say by bosses who aren't rider.

We always have to buy boards before the snow falls here in PA so there is no way to "try before you buy" here.

 

ANYONE BUYING A BURTON BOARD IS BUYING A BRAND and expects that brand

to be the best brand because ...well... its BURTON.

 

And to Glenn who said:

Those boards are garbage, and overpriced for the quality. Far better off being a better board used.

I would ask WHO DEFINES this board as garbage? What defines its quality? Its ride? Your ride?

Some company rider who gets paid to ride Burton boards in the half pipe?

Does this board suck for grinding rails?

Does this board suck for ollieing or half pipe or ski jumps?

Really... what is wrong with this board that you say this board is garbage?

DO YOU RIDE 4 hours every day all season .. from opening to close December to April like I ride?

How can this board be Garbage if it was made by Burton?

If Burton makes garbage boards then perhaps we no longer should trust the Burton name brand.

It doesn't bother me that you say this board is garbage.

I'll let you know if this board is garbage.

Oh... ...and if does suck then I'll ride one of my 3 other snowboards this winter.

At least I wouldn't have thrown away $700.

 

AND

Can you EVER buy any snowboard board USED and trust it?

You don't know how many jumps and how hard any snowboard was abused crashing off rails

and rocks so you never know just how good or bad any used board has been beat up.

The ski shops Ptex the holes and sharpen the edges, clean up the crap and then what?

You've got lipstick on a pig.... and its still a pig.... you know it by the guy who sells it...who says

it was a great board and tells you how much fun he had with it.

 

No.... I'll stick to buying boards new and cheap before trusting "a better used board" .... and the $300 I saved pays for the season pass to play all winter.

 

I'll ride this $200 board 2000 times this winter

and then next year I'll buy another Burton board, for $200

while the rest of the boarders get suckered into a $700 board and never use it because they

can't afford lift tickets.

And then you see those $700 BURTON Customs selling on EBAY after sitting in a closet in Delaware

for 3 years never getting to see any snow time.

Thats a used board I would buy cheap also.

Its easy to ask a board owner how often they went and when they say 3 times in 3 years and

the board looks totally brand new... you just know it was a in a closet for 3 years....

not a lipsticked pig.

[Dan-]

Haha, this made me laugh. Burton Airs were 380-400 at the most. I bet you, that Glenn rides harder and more days then you this year. I just have a hunch.

[Glenn]

Burton airs are softer flexing all mountain intro boards. They are the equivalent of the rec. ski. Fine if you are a beginner, not worth the money otherwise. Even a beginner can get used gear for cheaper.

 

And come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if a used board is good or crap. Look for base repair, look for edge repair. Flex the board and feel for stiffness and cracks in the core. Sure you will never know 100% but you can still make a wise decision AND you can get gear for far cheaper that way.

 

The arbor and flow boards are even cheaper than the burton air and you can find them all over the internet for rock bottom prices.

 

I'll just ignore the comments about how much riding we do alone for now.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Glenn

[snorovr]

Don't drag down a good shop with your baseless generalizations of things you have limited knowledge of. It is apparent that you don't have a good grasp of quality service, product, or experience. While some customers don't need these things because they have the knowledge to do their own work, most people could use them. For instance, I have many friends who insist on a full blown race setup, but would ski better on equipment more suited to their weight, skill, and skiing style. Most employees at a quality shop like Nestors are able to provide knowledgeable advice on matters such as these, snowboard or skis. Competition in the form of other stores like Army Navy is good to have, but when it comes to local reputation and quality of staff, Nestors blows them out of the water.

 

 

Also, while Burton does make some very expensive boards, some of which are a high quality product, they also produce and sell crap. Their decision to offer packages (boot, board, bindings) at box store prices in box stores have tarnished their reputation among many in the snow sports community. The product is one step in between the "snowboard" sleds they sell at Wal-Mart with no edges, and a true entry level board. It is a business decision that they made, and they feel that they can do enough marketing and team sponsorship within the core community to keep their reputation high for their more quality oriented product.

 

I'm a big fan of buying last years gear, but I do appreciate buying quality gear. If I didn't I would out-ride it. If you got a good board for $200, then good job dude. You know how many people on here have gotten better deals than the one you found? The difference is that I don't see many other people getting online and saying how much of a shit store their local shop is because they were selling the brand new 2008 product for more money. You said there was a discussion about comparing apples to apples, which is fine. However, you're comparing apples to oranges. Listen, read, and learn before you open you go spoutin' off.

[nick malozzi]

Does this board suck for ollieing or half pipe or ski jumps?

I ALWAYS make sure I buy a board that is solid on ski jumps. You should see my aerodynamic helmet I rock.

 

DO YOU RIDE 4 hours every day all season .. from opening to close December to April like I ride?

Nah, Glenn is truely a panty waste. Always pushing his gear to the max on double greens. So def not experienced.

 

How can this board be Garbage if it was made by Burton?

If Burton makes garbage boards then perhaps we no longer should trust the Burton name brand.

Wow, def took the words right outta my mouth there.

 

I'll let you know if this board is garbage.

We all eagerly await your review.

 

Oh... ...and if does suck then I'll ride one of my 3 other snowboards this winter.

At least I wouldn't have thrown away $700.

$180x4 = 720. You're right you didn't waste 700 dollars you wasted 720... 720 woot! yea! like the trick. never mind that totally makes it worth it then.

 

I'll ride this $200 board 2000 times this winter

shred it brah, just shred it.

 

not a lipsticked pig.

i SO wish i was like hip to the jive.

[Schif]

Yes... but still..... its a Burton board and me and anyone else shopping boards could never

know the difference between this board and any other Burton board that NEstors, Army Navy, or

Blue Mountain Sports sells... with a jacked up price of $500 to $700.

That right there is a ridiculous statement just to let you know. While you obviously cannot tell the difference, there are tons of people who can. They will as a result be riding better than you this year. Learning the differences between snowboards is not rocket science and absolutely makes the difference.

You're trying to tell us that there is no difference between all of the blue jeans on the rack at the store. Just pick any old one and they will be the same. No. They have different waists, lenghts, cuts and materials. They all make a difference when you put them on. The same properties apply to boards.

 

So how am I supposed to pick a board when you can't try them out before you buy them

and the sales clerks aren't riders... they are sales clerks TOLD what to say by bosses who aren't rider.

We always have to buy boards before the snow falls here in PA so there is no way to "try before you buy" here.

This is where you sit down and do some research or go to a shop. I would recommend you go to a shop because you have little or no knowledge of snowboards whatsoever. The guys at ski shops are skiers and riders who know whats up. Yeah they are trying to sell stuff, but they know what to sell you. A good shop tech will make your days on the hill better than before because they can put you in the gear that is right for you.

 

ANYONE BUYING A BURTON BOARD IS BUYING A BRAND and expects that brand

to be the best brand because ...well... its BURTON.

Naive statement all around. Do you really think everything Burton makes is the be all and end all of snowboarding? Maybe all those other companies should close because everything Burton puts out is pure gold.

 

DO YOU RIDE 4 hours every day all season .. from opening to close December to April like I ride?

I'm going to call you out on this. If you really ride that much you would know the differences between snowboards.

 

How can this board be Garbage if it was made by Burton?

If Burton makes garbage boards then perhaps we no longer should trust the Burton name brand.

Really?

 

Oh... ...and if does suck then I'll ride one of my 3 other snowboards this winter.

At least I wouldn't have thrown away $700.

Damn, you've got 3 other boards. I bet they are all Burtons and perfect in every way. I bet they all slash hard on east coast ice, yet you are still pretty good buttering around on them too. I'm jealous I should get another Burton.

 

AND

Can you EVER buy any snowboard board USED and trust it?

You don't know how many jumps and how hard any snowboard was abused crashing off rails

and rocks so you never know just how good or bad any used board has been beat up.

The ski shops Ptex the holes and sharpen the edges, clean up the crap and then what?

You've got lipstick on a pig.... and its still a pig.... you know it by the guy who sells it...who says

it was a great board and tells you how much fun he had with it.

Look at the damn thing, flex it look at the edges. If it passes a knowledgeable person's inspection then I'm sure its fine. A lot of people (some of the best riders in the state) rock used gear

 

I'll ride this $200 board 2000 times this winter

and then next year I'll buy another Burton board, for $200

while the rest of the boarders get suckered into a $700 board and never use it because they

can't afford lift tickets.

How many boards are even on the market for $700? Maybe a handful at best. Even if there is a phenomenal $700 board, the people who know what they are doing will just wait til next year to scoop one up. 80% of the members here get last years models. Again, if you really ride that much you could tell the difference between boards. Unless you're just straight lining blue squares all day every day (oh hell even then) you would get to understand what is going on with that thing attached to your feet.

 

 

Listen Robert, I don't want to just rip you up here, but try to take it with a grain of salt. We know what we're doing around here. If you were right don't you think that the majority of people here would be grabbing up cheap boards at the Army Navy? Most of us get stuff online because we can tell just what we need and order it also it saves major money.

[Justo8484]

Yes... but still..... its a Burton board and me and anyone else shopping boards could never

know the difference between this board and any other Burton board that NEstors, Army Navy, or

Blue Mountain Sports sells... with a jacked up price of $500 to $700.

So how am I supposed to pick a board when you can't try them out before you buy them

and the sales clerks aren't riders... they are sales clerks TOLD what to say by bosses who aren't rider.

We always have to buy boards before the snow falls here in PA so there is no way to "try before you buy" here.

 

actually, a lot of customers could tell the difference between that board and other boards on the wall. burton sets their prices for all their gear, and generally, most shops abide by that. the prices are printed in their catalog each year if you don't believe me, so nestors or any other shop that uses those prices are not jacking up the price at all. also, if you come into nestors, you're not buying from some sales clerk who's told what to say about certain boards. you're talking to a snowboarder (or skier, in the ski shop) who has more than likely ridden the board you end up buying. part of working in a reputable shop involved trying out the product that you sell, so you can better educate yourself and your customer as to what would work best for them. i've skied a ton of different skis over the years, and know exactly what works for me, and based on that, i can tell if a ski will work for someone else according to what they tell me. sorry if you've had bad experiences at others shops where employees don't know their product, but i assure you that is not the case at nestors.

[zaldon]

Dear Robert2,

YOU SUCK AT POSTING

i was wondering how you are going to ride a $200 snowboard 2000 this season? last time i checked their were only 365 or 366 days in a year, and if you just talking about runs than you are not planing on riding a whole lot this season are you. as for your comments about it being a Burton product their for it must be good, That is stupid not every product that any company makes is the best. that is why their are these things called consumer reviews which allow you to understand how other people feel about a product be for you drop some bank on it. I also hope you were not trying to impress by saying you have 3 other snowboards.On the topic of Glenn knowing anything about snowboarding or if he snowboards frequently, i expect him to double the number of days you snowboard, quadruple the vert you "rack up", and have the ability to beat you in any facet of snowboarding. Unfortunately you will not be able to challenge him to a Chinese down hill cause he will be in Colorado for the winter.

 

Hopefully i never meet you on the slopes,

 

Bringer Of Death

[n0xidee]

And to Glenn who said:

DO YOU RIDE 4 hours every day all season .. from opening to close December to April like I ride?

 

 

AND

Can you EVER buy any snowboard board USED and trust it?

You don't know how many jumps and how hard any snowboard was abused crashing off rails

and rocks so you never know just how good or bad any used board has been beat up.

The ski shops Ptex the holes and sharpen the edges, clean up the crap and then what?

You've got lipstick on a pig.... and its still a pig.... you know it by the guy who sells it...who says

it was a great board and tells you how much fun he had with it.

 

I'll ride this $200 board 2000 times this winter

and then next year I'll buy another Burton board, for $200

while the rest of the boarders get suckered into a $700 board and never use it because they

can't afford lift tickets.

And then you see those $700 BURTON Customs selling on EBAY after sitting in a closet in Delaware

for 3 years never getting to see any snow time.

Thats a used board I would buy cheap also.

Its easy to ask a board owner how often they went and when they say 3 times in 3 years and

the board looks totally brand new... you just know it was a in a closet for 3 years....

not a lipsticked pig.

 

Haha I love the new guys not knowing anything about anyone on the forum. Glenn is probably one of the hardest if not the hardest rider you will ever meet.

 

Ride it 2000 times? wtf does that even mean?

 

You just contradicted yourself. You said that someone can dress up a used board so it looks new but it could have been beat to sh*t. But then you said you can tell if it was used 3 times in 3 years. Hmmmmmmmm

[nick malozzi]

this fire is running out of lumber, let the man rebuttal so we can burn some more.

[Glenn]

Hey guys, I think he gets the point. He doesn't need to be everyone's punching bag.

[nick malozzi]

Hey guys, I think he gets the point. He doesn't need to be everyone's punching bag.

damn it, get outta my head mind thief!

[Glenn]

damn it, get outta my head mind thief!

 

We're different but the same.

[nick malozzi]

We're different but the same.

indeed. i'm just after more fuel.

(slow day at work)

[method9455]

That is a good price, but not a GREAT price.

 

Boards I have personally sold at 200 dollars the year after

 

Ride Business (Normal price $750)

GNU Altered Genetics (Normal price $650)

Arbor Crossbow, A-Frame (Normal price 500+) etc.

Lib tech riders choice (400 something)

Lib tech danny kass (500 something?)

 

30-50% is normal for year old gear, greater than 50% off is rare but always something will sell that way.

 

The Air normally sells at a shop for 350, and it is an intermediate board. That was the lowest rung on the Burton ladder we sold at our store, they we rented the Blunt which is lower.

 

That said, I don't know if I'd call it GARBAGE, it is a decent board for what it aims to be, but it doesn't aim to be a really stiff board, but an easy turning board for groomers and what not. Based on what you said your riding style is in other threads it probably will be a good fit.

 

Really you can't go wrong with a board that price, I've taken some boards I'm not huge on based off of price and they're good enough.

[toast21602]

pshhhh. nestors sucks and so does glenn. i bet he bought a board there for $455 over the asking price and only rode 3 times last year on holidays only. pshhhh.

[Robert2]

indeed. i'm just after more fuel.

(slow day at work)

 

 

 

 

OK..... lets see.... perhaps a few people missed where this came from....

it wasn't about local shop bashing.... my local shops have sold me

$10,000 worth of mountain bikes, snowboards, boots, bindings, skis, kayaks,

rock climbing harnesses for my family of 5 for the last 15 years.

I just bought 3 padagonia capilene number four baselayer shirts for $255 at Blue Mountain sports

in Jim Thorpe. I bought skis at Alpina last year. I support local ski shops and big time.

I could mail order anything but I ALWAYS buy from a local shop if I can.

I'm a retired snowboard instructor and my kids are all grown and have kids now.

I've always supported local businesses. The knock against Nestors was a totally

different issue where Nestors didn't make good on a $150 goggle problem.

Again..... this isn't about professionals verses kid clerks in any of these stores.

I have purchased the best gear in the past at premium prices mid winter

but as I grow old and stupid I figured I'd pinch a few hundred dollars and

buy boots and bindings and snow clothes in the summer and buy last year's

model snowboard as soon as they put stuff on the rack in the winter.

 

I posted the original HALF PRICE at ARMY NAVY message just to share

this fact so if someone could not afford a high price tag snowboard this winter then

maybe they would consider blowing $200 on a "last years model" board

at the ARMY NAVY store.

 

MANY snowboarders get only a few days a year on the snow so if a cheap Burton board

can be bought at the ARM NAVY store I thought I was helping those guys who can't

afford the $400 snowboards.

 

The "used board..lipstick on a pig.... verses the closet board" is always a crapshoot...

you take your chances with any used board but the owner usually is the dead give away

with used boards.

 

I never said I only ride Burton boards.... I said I just bought a Burton Air for $200

at the ARMY NAVY store after spending 5 hours in Whitehall in a bunch of stores

listening to a bunch of store clerks tell me why I should buy one board over

another ....and everything cost $500 or more.... just for the board....

I already have boots and bindings.... so I'm not looking for a package deal.

So after being totally over saturated with hours of sales talk in multiple stores I

asked a clerk if he had any cheap boards I could bang the shit out of on rails in the

park and not care I was busting it to shit because it was a cheap board...

to which he replied.... Yea... here... we have a rack of last year's boards at half price.

So I snag a Burton AIR for $200 and get told its garbage by this forum.

Oh well. I thought I bought a Burton quality item, and still am pretty sure I bought a

Burton quality item.

 

I can't tell you how many sales clerks have tried to sell me snowboards for me

and my kids for the last 15 years that had absolutely not a clue about the products they were selling.

It always boiled down to pricing and them trying to impress me with some kind

of deal of I was getting because I was buying a top of the line quality product from

the industry leader... BURTON.

I don't buy a board because it has cool graphics.

I buy a board because I'm going to ride it 2000 times down a hill.

I'd like to trust it was manufactured to withstand my fat 220 pound ass carving ribbons on edges

all day long on solid ice Pocono hardpack without popping Tnuts out of the board or

cracking the deck itself.

So when Burton offers a product line called CRUZER and CUSTOM and DOM and AIR

and sales clerks really can't give me any real reason to pay $400, $500 or $700 for

a board other than "ITS GOT THE NEWEST BURTON engineering in it".......

I'm not so inclined to believe any Burton board I buy would EVER be a bad snowboard.

They ALL have Burton engineering it them.

 

I'm retired. I have all the time in the world to play now.

I kayak 5 miles every weekday ......for the last 6 months around Mauch Chunk Lake......

and then as soon as they open I go snowboarding.

I take the bus to Jack Frost at 10 AM every weekday.

I'm on the snow riding by 11AM and come off the snow between 3 and 4PM

for 14 weeks.

I'll get to ride hills and lifts 2000 times this winter.

And NO

I have never ridden a rail or a jump.... or a double black diamond.

As a grandparent I expect to play longer if I don't break bones while playing.

As you get older you take longer to heal. I found out the hard way last year when

I got an arm full of stitches from long board skate boarding.

Yea... Santa skates too.

It took 6 weeks to heal.

I just ride very fast downhill, again and again and again all winter.

For 3 or 4 hours.

I carry 2 bottles of water, 2 cans of V8 juice, and munchie power bars

with me and never come in off the snow until its time to leave.

I'm not there for the party. I'm there to ride.

And ride as much as I can for 14 weeks.

5 degrees.... or 50 degrees.... sun, rain, snow, fog.... it doesn't matter....

I still go every day. And midweek skiing never has ANY lift lines and rarely even has

more than 5 people on any hill so its like I have the place to myself all winter.

13 years ago when I was an instructor they told me we had to teach snowboarding

no matter what the weather was.

People come and pay for a lesson so we must teach them, regardless of temperature or

rain or snow or wind or mud or slush or solid blue ice.

So when you get as old as me and don't know if you will be breathing tomorrow you

don't NOT GO because the weather is too warm, to cold, too windy.

You ALWAYS go and dress for all conditions and just go ride.

 

What will YOU be doing every week day this winter?

 

There's yer fuel.

[zaldon]

i stopped listening to store clerks once i found google

[First Grade Teacher]

indeed. i'm just after more fuel.

(slow day at work)

 

 

 

 

OK..... lets see.... perhaps a few people missed where this came from....

it wasn't about local shop bashing.... my local shops have sold me

$10,000 worth of mountain bikes, snowboards, boots, bindings, skis, kayaks,

rock climbing harnesses for my family of 5 for the last 15 years.

I just bought 3 padagonia capilene number four baselayer shirts for $255 at Blue Mountain sports

in Jim Thorpe. I bought skis at Alpina last year. I support local ski shops and big time.

I could mail order anything but I ALWAYS buy from a local shop if I can.

I'm a retired snowboard instructor and my kids are all grown and have kids now.

I've always supported local businesses. The knock against Nestors was a totally

different issue where Nestors didn't make good on a $150 goggle problem.

Again..... this isn't about professionals verses kid clerks in any of these stores.

I have purchased the best gear in the past at premium prices mid winter

but as I grow old and stupid I figured I'd pinch a few hundred dollars and

buy boots and bindings and snow clothes in the summer and buy last year's

model snowboard as soon as they put stuff on the rack in the winter.

 

I posted the original HALF PRICE at ARMY NAVY message just to share

this fact so if someone could not afford a high price tag snowboard this winter then

maybe they would consider blowing $200 on a "last years model" board

at the ARMY NAVY store.

 

MANY snowboarders get only a few days a year on the snow so if a cheap Burton board

can be bought at the ARM NAVY store I thought I was helping those guys who can't

afford the $400 snowboards.

 

The "used board..lipstick on a pig.... verses the closet board" is always a crapshoot...

you take your chances with any used board but the owner usually is the dead give away

with used boards.

 

I never said I only ride Burton boards.... I said I just bought a Burton Air for $200

at the ARMY NAVY store after spending 5 hours in Whitehall in a bunch of stores

listening to a bunch of store clerks tell me why I should buy one board over

another ....and everything cost $500 or more.... just for the board....

I already have boots and bindings.... so I'm not looking for a package deal.

So after being totally over saturated with hours of sales talk in multiple stores I

asked a clerk if he had any cheap boards I could bang the shit out of on rails in the

park and not care I was busting it to shit because it was a cheap board...

to which he replied.... Yea... here... we have a rack of last year's boards at half price.

So I snag a Burton AIR for $200 and get told its garbage by this forum.

Oh well. I thought I bought a Burton quality item, and still am pretty sure I bought a

Burton quality item.

 

I can't tell you how many sales clerks have tried to sell me snowboards for me

and my kids for the last 15 years that had absolutely not a clue about the products they were selling.

It always boiled down to pricing and them trying to impress me with some kind

of deal of I was getting because I was buying a top of the line quality product from

the industry leader... BURTON.

I don't buy a board because it has cool graphics.

I buy a board because I'm going to ride it 2000 times down a hill.

I'd like to trust it was manufactured to withstand my fat 220 pound ass carving ribbons on edges

all day long on solid ice Pocono hardpack without popping Tnuts out of the board or

cracking the deck itself.

So when Burton offers a product line called CRUZER and CUSTOM and DOM and AIR

and sales clerks really can't give me any real reason to pay $400, $500 or $700 for

a board other than "ITS GOT THE NEWEST BURTON engineering in it".......

I'm not so inclined to believe any Burton board I buy would EVER be a bad snowboard.

They ALL have Burton engineering it them.

 

I'm retired. I have all the time in the world to play now.

I kayak 5 miles every weekday ......for the last 6 months around Mauch Chunk Lake......

and then as soon as they open I go snowboarding.

I take the bus to Jack Frost at 10 AM every weekday.

I'm on the snow riding by 11AM and come off the snow between 3 and 4PM

for 14 weeks.

I'll get to ride hills and lifts 2000 times this winter.

And NO

I have never ridden a rail or a jump.... or a double black diamond.

As a grandparent I expect to play longer if I don't break bones while playing.

As you get older you take longer to heal. I found out the hard way last year when

I got an arm full of stitches from long board skate boarding.

Yea... Santa skates too.

It took 6 weeks to heal.

I just ride very fast downhill, again and again and again all winter.

For 3 or 4 hours.

I carry 2 bottles of water, 2 cans of V8 juice, and munchie power bars

with me and never come in off the snow until its time to leave.

I'm not there for the party. I'm there to ride.

And ride as much as I can for 14 weeks.

5 degrees.... or 50 degrees.... sun, rain, snow, fog.... it doesn't matter....

I still go every day. And midweek skiing never has ANY lift lines and rarely even has

more than 5 people on any hill so its like I have the place to myself all winter.

13 years ago when I was an instructor they told me we had to teach snowboarding

no matter what the weather was.

People come and pay for a lesson so we must teach them, regardless of temperature or

rain or snow or wind or mud or slush or solid blue ice.

So when you get as old as me and don't know if you will be breathing tomorrow you

don't NOT GO because the weather is too warm, to cold, too windy.

You ALWAYS go and dress for all conditions and just go ride.

 

What will YOU be doing every week day this winter?

 

There's yer fuel.

Holy shit! I'm not reading that.

[Glenn]

R2, I don't know what to tell you. You posted up about Flow and Arbor boards. They are just lousy. The burton air is in my opinion substandard because it's not stiff enough to be a cruising board, and a little too expensive for a jib board. I've heard enough bad things about their noodly boards to stay away.

 

You're not the only one who ride in all weather everyday. I hope to be doing what you are when I'm your age. Being a complete cheap skate and needing solid gear because I did ride park, and do ride double diamonds. I can't afford to replace gear mid season if it breaks. I also have to trust gear on must make moves. Bottom line, I'd rather be on a better board than a burton air, even if it's used.

[Schif]

I'm not so inclined to believe any Burton board I buy would EVER be a bad snowboard.

They ALL have Burton engineering it them.

 

They would never sell a "bad board". There is no "bad board", there are just WRONG boards for people. However it seems like you just to to Frost every day and lap the blues, as a result, you got lucky and the Air will certainly serve your purpose.