snoskier Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 I'm heading out to Utah and wanted to get some opinions on powder skis. I've never skied a fat ski and was wondering if there are any strong opinions on regular vs fat skis. I ski on a 118-76-104 right now and will bring them with me. I've never done anything above the knees, but it looks like I might have the opportunity as it is supposed to dump all next week. Thoughts??? Snoskier Quote
moe ghoul Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 Fat skies will give you a better powder experience. I wouldn't ski anything less than 100 in the waist, or shorter than a 174-178 depending on your height and weight. Your legs will thank you. Quote
toast21602 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 go out there and see what they have to demo. go fat or go home. Quote
snoskier Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Posted February 10, 2009 Thanks for the advice. I think I'm going to try to snag a pair either day one or two. I'll report back... SS Quote
sibhusky Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Definitely demo. If nothing else, it saves you lugging your useless skinny skis out there. Last time I went to Aspen, I demoed a different pair every day. Quote
jordan Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 IMHO, a hardpack, everyday ski out west should be about 100 mm underfoot, unless you plan on skiing groomers all day. If you get a big dump, ski something 110 or greater. You will have a much better time if you do. Quote
Justin Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 I've been on my Bacons a few days which are 114 underfoot and I love them for out here. When there's no snow I'm usually in the park, so these guys are only seeing action in the fresh really. Don't be afraid to rip with fat skis though. I thought these things were way fat but I was ripping some groomers in them the other day....really versatile ski. Even handles the bumps well. Quote
Papasteeze Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 I now ski 105 under foot for everything. Quote
Johnny Law Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Reverse Reverse and 100-110 ski for hardback. A 110 ski isn't really any more difficult to carve than 80. Reverse Reverse is the greatest thing to happen to skiing since they got rid of straight skis. Quote
Dan- Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Seriously I can carve on my 110 underfoot Nordica Blowers but it's a hell of alot more effort than carving on my 67 underfoot Elan S12s or my 88 underfoot Rossi Scratchs..100+ underfoot and groomers is alot of work..what is reverse reverse??? Reverse camber and?? Reverse camber and reverse sidecut. Like the Lib Banana Hammock, or I think Moment makes a reverse sidecut ski. Quote
Johnny Law Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Sidecut is only useful on groomers as you aren't carving in real pow, for the most part its a real hindrance as the tails and tips are keeping you from being able to really pivot the ski. Straight logic tells you that most of the weight you put on a ski is directly underfoot and therefore in a powder only ski having the widest part of the ski in the shovels is retarded. You certainly want to get face shots but flotation is super important. The main drawback is that they don't carve at all and can be a little more tricky when it comes to traversing or side stepping but its a pow only ski so who cares. Some manufactures have experimented with multiple sidecuts to retain at least some hard snow skills. The ARG and DPS 138 both have 1mm of sidecut directly underfoot so you can at least make it back to the lift. Camber is the real dealio, a lot of companies are using multiple cambers on non pow skis such as Armada's elf tech and some of the Moment skis. But for pow there is really no reason to have the tips and tails lower than the underfoot. You want the ski to float and avoid the dreaded tip dive. Everyone no matter how well they ski has to some degree change their stance when its super deep or more thick as a result of water content. Skiing from the back seat is tiring as is dangerous as well. With reverse camber you can't sink the tips, I have ARG's and have tried and its just not possible, you can stay in a more aggressive forward stance and really slash and burn. If you ski pow or chop or sun crust on rev-rev and your body is on a conventional pow ski, he stands no chance. They are long and fat but the lack of sidecut means they pivot with great ease so they make a really great tree ski, lots of EC tree skiers still rock spats. Seriously 100% reverse reverse in pow is what shaped skis was to hardpack, once you make the change you'll never go back. There are a ton of skis out there with fun shapes. (not all are rev-rev but they all have rev camber or sidecut) Armada JP vs Julien, ARG, Alpha 1 and 2 4frnt EHP Atomic Bent Chetler BD Megawatt Praxis Pow DPS Lotus 138 K2 hellbents, obsethed, Pontoon Moment Reno Rocker, Comi and Komi-cazi Volkly chopsticks, Kuro, Spats, (New Mantra) Rossi S7 Solly Rockers Movement Flyswatters, Movement Goliath Edited February 11, 2009 by Johnny Law Quote
phillycore Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 FWIW... I had my PE's (179 long and 85 underfoot) as well as my Firstbloods (180 long and 91 underfoot) and I knew I had made a bad choice on day 1 when I literally had my ass handed to me at Steamboat in 20+ of heavy wet ass snow. Day 2 I spent trying to recover on Groomers and hardpack most of the day... and day 3 at Winter Park Glenn beat the shit out of what was left of me when my legs were completely gone... Demo the fatties... Quote
moe ghoul Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Depth of Powder = Stoke Fatness of planks Quote
jordan Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Reverse Reverse ski for hardback. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no reverse reverse is only good in very deep powder. normal sidecut is nice to have in crud and wind loaded goodness, GS turns are not reserved just for groomers. Edited February 11, 2009 by jordan Quote
jordan Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 4frnt EHP 4frnt EHP has normal sidecut and flat camber. The ski is fun as hell though. This is the most versatile ski i have ever been on. It rocks on everything but groomers. Quote
Johnny Law Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no reverse reverse is only good in very deep powder. normal sidecut is nice to have in crud and wind loaded goodness, GS turns are not reserved just for groomers. Go back and read again fuckknob, I don't know what school you go to but go ask for your money back. First post Reverse Reverse and 100-110 ski for hardback ( see that indicates that you should bring two skis one rev-rev and one 100-110 for hardpack) As for your second post re the EHP notice I wrote this - There are a ton of skis out there with fun shapes. (not all are rev-rev but they all have rev camber or sidecut) Its from the same post you quoted Quote
jordan Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Go back and read again fuckknob, I don't know what school you go to but go ask for your money back. First post Reverse Reverse and 100-110 ski for hardback ( see that indicates that you should bring two skis one rev-rev and one 100-110 for hardpack) As for your second post re the EHP notice I wrote this - There are a ton of skis out there with fun shapes. (not all are rev-rev but they all have rev camber or sidecut) Its from the same post you quoted Your first post could have been taken both ways, i apologize. Plus, its not hard to figure out what school I go to. Still, though, if you are sporting 2 pairs of skis, 110 uf for a hardpack ski is a little much. The EHP has neither reverse sidecut nor reverse camber, so your second post was wrong. Quote
Johnny Law Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Your first post could have been taken both ways, i apologize. Plus, its not hard to figure out what school I go to. Still, though, if you are sporting 2 pairs of skis, 110 uf for a hardpack ski is a little much. The EHP has neither reverse sidecut nor reverse camber, so your second post was wrong. No No your right and I should be the one apologizing. Yesterday was a very bad day in a month of bad days at work. My previous comment to you was childish and unnecessary. Again my apologies. The EHP has no camber out of the box so while your certainly right I would still characterize it as a fun shape. Different strokes for different folks. Quote
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