Belleayre Upgrades

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

i enjoy following your facebook comments on allentown political goings on because i find it so funny they are trying to gentrify allentown

The average apartment in Allentown is $800 a month and the Strata complex they built downtown are $1200+ a month and while they sold out there are barely any actual tenants as PPL, Talon, city center corporation and the phantoms hockey team have rented out a lot of the apartments which mainly sit vacant so due tot he success of strata one they built Strata 2. Nobody is gonna move into downtown Allentown that has as the school district is pretty bad and it's only 15% white and I believe the 13th worst school district in the state out of 560 in terms of test scores. Allentown is a mess but the west end is pretty nice still.

 

They can try to gentrify Allentown all they want but the majority of people in this area aren't willing to or can't afford $30+ for entrees at the restaurants downtown. That's why shulas steakhouse only last 6 months

[Ski2Live Live2Ski]

Bell is a state dealio, all the other ny areas always bitch they get a sweet deal because they have the lending power of new York state.

Gore and Whiteface are also state owned. Plattekill, Hunter and Windham complain.

 

But really only Plattekill suffers IMO, particularly because to get there from the Thruway you have to drive past Belleayre and go another 30+ minutes. As Belleayre gets bigger and better, fewer will do so. But it will never be a threat to Hunter and Windham.

[theprogram4]

MTA just had to pay millions to these resorts smh. The subways are literally falling apart but the governor made them give the ski resorts the money smh. As you can imagine, fares will increase

[Ski2Live Live2Ski]

What is the source of that info?

 

As a regular skier who does not ride subways with any regularity it works for me.

[theprogram4]

What is the source of that info?

 

As a regular skier who does not ride subways with any regularity it works for me.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mta-wrote-4-9m-check-upstate-ski-centers-article-1.3313757

[RootDKJ]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mta-wrote-4-9m-check-upstate-ski-centers-article-1.3313757

“They’re stealing from one bankrupt place to prop up another bankrupt place.”

 

Typical government economics. Lmao

 

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[theprogram4]

“They’re stealing from one bankrupt place to prop up another bankrupt place.”

 

Typical government economics. Lmao

 

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the entire A, D, C, B lines have been down in Manhattan all day today.  on my facebook feed there are like 5 people currently stuck in it...but at least they get to use free WiFi while they are stuck in the tunnels

Edited July 17, 2017 by theprogram4

[Ski2Live Live2Ski]

Sounds like a non issue if you read the story. The MTA owed the money to the state and made the payment in the way the state requsted. It has nothing to do with what size budget the MTA should have.

 

I do support public funding both for subways and for ski areas.

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

If Pennsylvania wasn't so broke maybe they could buy an existing ski area or build one. If taxpayers subsidize sports arenas why not ski resorts. Pretty soon we'll all be able to write off ski equipment expenses and lift tickets on our taxes.

[Ride Delaware ?]

If Pennsylvania wasn't so broke maybe they could buy an existing ski area or build one. If taxpayers subsidize sports arenas why not ski resorts. Pretty soon we'll all be able to write off ski equipment expenses and lift tickets on our taxes.

They already own one? Laurel Mountain... Edited July 18, 2017 by Ride Delaware ?

[Ski2Live Live2Ski]

NJ had a county owned one when I was a kid. Bell Mt.

[trackbiker]

They already own one? Laurel Mountain...

They also own Denton Hill

http://dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/groups/public/documents/document/dcnr_20033012.pdf

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

They already own one? Laurel Mountain...

Looks like they have an insanely steep run. It says 60% pitch I thought steepness was usually measured in degrees. 60% equals 31 degrees.

[Ride Delaware ?]

Looks like they have an insanely steep run. It says 60% pitch I thought steepness was usually measured in degrees. 60% equals 31 degrees.

Why were you under the impression that PA didn't own any?

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Why were you under the impression that PA didn't own any?

Yes

[Ride Delaware ?]

Yes

You know as much, if not more northeast ski trivia than me, how could you not know that?

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

You know as much, if not more northeast ski trivia than me, how could you not know that?

Cause I don't care about western PA skiing.

[JFskiDan]

They also own Denton Hill

http://dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/groups/public/documents/document/dcnr_20033012.pdf

Isnt it that The state owns the land, but are looking for someone to run it?

 

I think i read about denton last year. I felt like there was alot of talk and studies as to how to put it back together, but thats all that happened. Talk and studiea. No action. Lots of managers, and no laborers....what ever you might want to call it.

[trackbiker]

Isnt it that The state owns the land, but are looking for someone to run it?

 

I think i read about denton last year. I felt like there was alot of talk and studies as to how to put it back together, but thats all that happened. Talk and studiea. No action. Lots of managers, and no laborers....what ever you might want to call it.

Read the link I attached. It outlines the master plan. They plan to do the same as they did for Laurel Mountain and find an operator to lease the ski operations. The same company that runs Seven Springs runs Laurel Mountain.

I've always wanted to ski Denton. Looks like a cool place in a remote area. Problem is I can be in VT in the time it takes to get to Denton.

[trackbiker]

I would have thought they would have been more likely to spell "Belleayre" wrong.

Edited September 28, 2017 by trackbiker

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

That is so neat that Belleayre is installing a gondola. They must be doing really well to afford that.

[RootDKJ]

That is so neat that Belleayre is installing a gondola. They must be doing really well to afford that.

It’s easy to afford things when you are spending other people’s money.

[toast21602]

It’s easy to afford things when you are spending other people’s money.

 

ok.

[Johnny Law]

It’s easy to afford things when you are spending other people’s money.

Belleayre is the only profitable portion of ORDA, bell got transferred from DEC into ORDA as ORDA is the Olympic group that runs whiteface and Von Hovenberg. Bell this year wasn't even in the og budget and every year prior to that various parts of the NY congress scrap together about a million bucks to keep the place running. Bell has a 75million plan since 2010 called UMP or Unit Management Plan that up until the gondy the state hadn't actually provided a nickle of. Bell due to it's proximity to NYC and other population centers particularly in comparison to Lake Placid makes it a potential gold mine. Everyone knows this and this year finally they got 8million form albany.

 

Think about Okemo and then compare it with say Bell, leave the mtns out I'm talking everything else that encompasses why people go to a specific place on vacation and bell doesn't hold a candle. How many people on this website of extremely avid skiers one state away have ever been to Keene Valley NY ? What about Whiteface ? NY has NYC but the rest of the state is mostly empty with very little to do in terms of work. ADK is poor, like WV poor and the skills aren't much better and the fix is simple get money into these ares, develop the tremendous potential for tourism and people will have jobs and schools won't suck and all that shit.

 

Let's see 1.50 a head because after all 8mil out of a 160billionish budget is a very small %, to potentially improve vast areas of the poorest parts of your state on projects that generate revenue directly back to you or I give that 1.50 back to each person, hmmm this is really tough I wonder which of the two of those one should do ? I bet there is no way that 1.50 from each person can come back to them with about x1000000 times more value like lets say having workers companies actually want to employ which among many things keeps people out of prison, off welfare, adds additional money multipliers to the overall economy etc etc

 

You yell endlessly to keep your $1.50 because you don't understand at all how it saves you $1000's, your one of the smartest people I know you can't tell me you don't know this rather you choose to pretend you don't.

 

 

Bell UMP if you want to know the deal - http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/permits_ej_operations_pdf/bellump4.pdf

Edited September 29, 2017 by Johnny Law

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Johnny law Root is one of the smartest people you know??