Blue Mountain - COVID-19 Update

[NMSKI]

2 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

And then there are small colleges like mine who are going to really struggle during this. 

Sorry dude, not enough people at your school who paid to have friends in college became influential politicians.  

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

The college bubble is gonna burst after the dust settles.  

[NMSKI]

1 minute ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

The college bubble is gonna burst after the dust settles.  

I 100% agree.  Especially now that college classes are all online this semester.  People are seriously going to question what they are spending 60K a year for.  

I think there needs to be reform in the K-12 system too.  This whole thing has exposed to me that my childrens' school is basically 2 hours of a play date, 2 hours of day care and 2 hours of actual learning each day.  

[toast21602]

8 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

The college bubble is gonna burst after the dust settles.  

A lot of bubbles will burst and this will fundamentally change a lot of the norms that we previously took for granted and didn’t analyze from the disease transmission risk perspective. 

[tarponhead]

Maybe Donald should help them out instead of cruise companies...

The donald has no problems helping out cruise companies because no danger of them delivering vote-by-mail ballots which he def is against. Postal service on the other hand...

[trackbiker]

40 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

And then there are small colleges like mine who are going to really struggle during this. 

Most private colleges are well endowed. (Not like a horse. Like they have a lot of money) It's the state schools that will see their budgets slashed. The GOP gives their friends billions but they would object to giving money to state schools because that would be "socialism." 

Edited April 17, 2020 by trackbiker

[tarponhead]

I’ll just leave this here

 

 

17 found dead in Sussex county nursing home...

 

And

 

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/tea-party-prez-considers-organizing-1st-nj-protest-of-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders.html

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

42 minutes ago, NMSKI said:

I 100% agree.  Especially now that college classes are all online this semester.  People are seriously going to question what they are spending 60K a year for.  

I think there needs to be reform in the K-12 system too.  This whole thing has exposed to me that my childrens' school is basically 2 hours of a play date, 2 hours of day care and 2 hours of actual learning each day.  

They will cause there’s gonna be a lot less money to go around. In theory property taxes/school taxes should go down since school districts aren’t paying for bussing or water or lights or a lot of hourly employees like lunch lady’s. Your hourly breakdown is probably correct for younger kids..

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

40 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

A lot of bubbles will burst and this will fundamentally change a lot of the norms that we previously took for granted and didn’t analyze from the disease transmission risk perspective. 

Correct and what’s good about this thread is that we are getting all perspectives from essential workers to semi pro breadmakers to parents to Salty!!!!   

Edited April 17, 2020 by GrilledSteezeSandwich

[trackbiker]

Just now, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Correct and what’s good about this thread is that we are getting all perspectives from essential workers to semi pro breadmakers to parents to Salty!!!!   

What's nice about this thread and all of them on this site so far is that the conversations have all been very civilized and enlightening by those with expertise in certain areas. It's a shame our government can't be that way. The system was designed for compromise.

[toast21602]

18 minutes ago, trackbiker said:

Most private colleges are well endowed. (Not like a horse. Like they have a lot of money) It's the state schools that will see their budgets slashed. The GOP gives their friends billions but they would object to giving money to state schools because that would be "socialism." 

Completely depends on the school. I would be hesitant to say “most”. Smaller schools often don’t have that luxury. Just speaking from experience and local knowledge. 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

17 minutes ago, trackbiker said:

What's nice about this thread and all of them on this site so far is that the conversations have all been very civilized and enlightening by those with expertise in certain areas. It's a shame our government can't be that way. The system was designed for compromise.

The Covid-19 thread on Teton gravity forums is a shitshow and near impossible to keep up with as it’s like 500 pages long..a lot of insulting 

[RidgeRacer]

Pennsylvania cases up 1706...:-(

So disheartening.

[AtomicSkier]

22 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

Completely depends on the school. I would be hesitant to say “most”. Smaller schools often don’t have that luxury. Just speaking from experience and local knowledge. 

It's true.  I work for the school with the largest endowment in the area, and when most or all of the returns on that money is used for financial aid, it means we still rely on tuition dollars, etc.  Most international students pay full freight, which subsidizes some US based students who have a greater financial aid need.  Not having students on campus means less dining revenue, fewer purchases in the bookstore....and most important of all, no housing income.  In this new time, we still have all the costs associated with maintaining the facilities that now don't have a revenue stream and we still have to maintain all the academic infrastructure (technology, etc).  Costs have gone down a little, sure.  But revenue losses have far exceeded those costs.

@NMSKI...there are only a few schools that can do what you claim...pretty much only the Ivys, but even then, not all of them.  I'm sure you'll agree...never touch the principle.   

I do think it's ridiculous to give aid to cruise companies.  They're 100% recreational.  The airlines are a key part of our national transportation system, though.  I have less of a problem there, however, I do think they should've been a little more fiscally responsible during their record growth/profit years of late.  

[indiggio]

19 minutes ago, AtomicSkier said:

I do think it's ridiculous to give aid to cruise companies.  They're 100% recreational.  The airlines are a key part of our national transportation system, though.  I have less of a problem there, however, I do think they should've been a little more fiscally responsible during their record growth/profit years of late.  

Not to mention that they're headquartered outside the U.S. to avoid paying as many taxes as possible to the U.S., so why should they be getting any bailout $$$?

[toast21602]

23 minutes ago, AtomicSkier said:

It's true.  I work for the school with the largest endowment in the area, and when most or all of the returns on that money is used for financial aid, it means we still rely on tuition dollars, etc.  Most international students pay full freight, which subsidizes some US based students who have a greater financial aid need.  Not having students on campus means less dining revenue, fewer purchases in the bookstore....and most important of all, no housing income.  In this new time, we still have all the costs associated with maintaining the facilities that now don't have a revenue stream and we still have to maintain all the academic infrastructure (technology, etc).  Costs have gone down a little, sure.  But revenue losses have far exceeded those costs.

@NMSKI...there are only a few schools that can do what you claim...pretty much only the Ivys, but even then, not all of them.  I'm sure you'll agree...never touch the principle.   

I do think it's ridiculous to give aid to cruise companies.  They're 100% recreational.  The airlines are a key part of our national transportation system, though.  I have less of a problem there, however, I do think they should've been a little more fiscally responsible during their record growth/profit years of late.  

The only reason I would support funding for the cruise industry is so that @NMSKI can get the family trip he has been waiting for. Other than that, screw them.

[RootDKJ]

1 hour ago, tarponhead said:

I’ll just leave this here

 

 

17 found dead in Sussex county nursing home...

 

And

 

 

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/tea-party-prez-considers-organizing-1st-nj-protest-of-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders.html

That "nursing home" place was a shit hold 20 years ago when I was an EMT.  The name has changed, but as soon as I saw the picture of it, I could remember the stench inside of there 100%.

[AtomicSkier]

Just now, toast21602 said:

The only reason I would support funding for the cruise industry is so that @NMSKI can get the family trip he has been waiting for. Other than that, screw them.

That's true.  I'd get some joy out of him going on that cruise 😂

[RootDKJ]

7 minutes ago, indiggio said:

Not to mention that they're headquartered outside the U.S. to avoid paying as many taxes as possible to the U.S., so why should they be getting any bailout $$$?

Also, most of their employees (on the boats) are not US citizens, and don't pay US taxes (maybe some sales tax, maybe).

[indiggio]

2 minutes ago, RootDKJ said:

Also, most of their employees (on the boats) are not US citizens, and don't pay US taxes (maybe some sales tax, maybe).

I think they have to pay port fees/taxes or something like that, but that's about it.  Probably have to buy fuel, but I wouldn't be surprised that they try to avoid that as well.

[RootDKJ]

1 minute ago, indiggio said:

I think they have to pay port fees/taxes or something like that, but that's about it.  Probably have to buy fuel, but I wouldn't be surprised that they try to avoid that as well.

There's port fees, who knows where that $$$ goes.  I wonder if they pay tax on diesel fuel?

[EdBacon]

Does that put COVID19 as the leading cause of death now? I remember a couple days ago it was still just behind heart disease. 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

41 minutes ago, indiggio said:

Not to mention that they're headquartered outside the U.S. to avoid paying as many taxes as possible to the U.S., so why should they be getting any bailout $$$?

And they can also bypass US labor laws..

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Somebody wrote on Facebook,”thinking a mask will stop corona is like thinking your undies will stop a fart. 

[toast21602]

Just now, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Somebody wrote on Facebook,”thinking a mask will stop corona is like thinking your undies will stop a fart. 

I guess there are stupid people everywhere.