Blue Mountain - COVID-19 Update

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

15 minutes ago, mute1080 said:

Wolf announced all non essential businesses statewide to close at midnight tonight.

Damn I can’t ski or count money WTF...at least I can play some slot machines. 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Just now, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Damn I can’t ski or count money WTF...at least I can play some slot machines. 

No you can’t GSS..the casino is also closed

[eaf]

3 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

No you can’t GSS..the casino is also closed

Sure you can. All casinos are online these days. Plus there is even bigger gambling place called stock exchange.

[saltyant]

3 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

No you can’t GSS..the casino is also closed

We'll just have to shitpost on here all evening for entertainment. Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? We can start a discussion thread about funny jokes, like "not doing x anymore... not doing x any less either"; throw in some random ok's; and recap all the funny conversations with Matt Edge this season, since we won't see him 'til November. Maybe @Ski2Live Live2Ski can write a new song, "Wake me up when November ends".

[Johnny Law]

1 hour ago, toast21602 said:

If you enact those laws, then yes. It has been done in cities and states, but not nationally. there is only one person that can do that and that person has been behind the curve with this whole things so far... calling it a 'hoax' only two weeks ago.

How do you feel about the 1.5 to the banks ?

I'm not a trump fan by any means but a national closure of sorts is one of those things that is so easy to say but vastly more complicated than anyone person or organization can even comprehend. 

How far down the essential workers do you go ? It's a global economy at some level everyone is essential. Gotta have power, water, trucking, mail, banking etc etc etc etc and they rely on a giant web of things that also rely on even more things.  You want the cheeto in chief deciding that ? A M&A guy by most definitions is not essential nor is the local pizza shop but economics makes for strange bed fellows. Its not the case that you can cut off even one little sliver and not have ripple effects through all the other sectors so even the idea of what's essential is alot harder than just I know it when I see it. 

What's your enforcement mechanism ? Rolling out the national guard is extremely dangerous, armed soldiers patrolling streets is bad juju, now add into the mix people that are bored as shit and home for 10 days straight and oh boy could you take a 1 and make it into a 100. The police ? Do the math, in every country on earth that has ever existed you rely entirely upon 99.9 of people doing what their told and if you piss them off even if its for totally justifiable reasons you risk them figuring out there aren't enough people to do the enforcing. Law's and law enforcement are largely illusionary.  

What about the economics of the whole thing ? Does killing 10x as many people over 8 months because the economy took a shitter better than a virus doing it ? What about all the people that live paycheck to paycheck, hourly wages workers ? Going to work for them is essential to feed their families and what not. Five below being open isn't essential but for the person that works there it very well maybe. What about all the people that are in business that rely upon steady weekly income ? Chefs for example, restaurant is closed, rent is due, still gotta eat but you can't collect funemployment and that shit takes weeks to process anyways, plus is the state worker essential ? What about the random who issues the banking card or processes the payments ? You can in the process of trying to prevent deaths by corona cause x1000 deaths if you stall the economy. 

These are difficult questions that are unprecedented in alot of ways. The president, any president would have a fucking hard time with this question, this president just does whatever he thinks makes him popular, he's mostly ignorant and is prone to reactionary behavior so even if the argument is he should have I'm not sure how relevant it is. 

I get the hospital bed math and projections from Italy, from a pure conceptual point of reference I agree with what your saying but you entirely discount the most important part. How ? Its like deep water horizon, everybody bitches when they spill it, almost nobody has any idea how it works, even less people have any ideas on how to improve the process and even less people than that can see that the only fucking reason they are down there drilling and spilling is so that everyone else can do the fucking bitching in the first place. 

The real answer, the real actual answer is to not build a shitty ass society in the first place but that ship sailed and sank long before we were even alive. 

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

The essential business thing is sort of a gray area. I’m really surprised they wouldn’t keep state stores open since you can’t buy hard alcohol at the grocery store.  My friend who does apartment leasing said her job is considered essential because people live there..I guess the same for jobs in a hotel house.  This is nuts though we are like 12 days behind Italy on the exact same curve. 

[Schif]

Don't go yelling at me here but let me play the Libertarian card for a second. OK so they are limiting the size of group gatherings. I get it, and of course you don't want an arena of sweaty people mosh pitting, probably a bad idea or even a nice gathering of like minded individuals to watch a play in a tiny little NYC theater. However, there's this little thing called the First Amendment: 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I'm not saying that I think it's a good idea by any means to have big group gatherings, but to me it seems like a slippppppery slope. 

Devil's advocate to my own point and to piggyback on JLaw's comment, if enough people assemble how is anyone going to stop it? But still. Not cool man.

[toast21602]

42 minutes ago, Johnny Law said:

How do you feel about the 1.5 to the banks ?

I'm not a trump fan by any means but a national closure of sorts is one of those things that is so easy to say but vastly more complicated than anyone person or organization can even comprehend. 

How far down the essential workers do you go ? It's a global economy at some level everyone is essential. Gotta have power, water, trucking, mail, banking etc etc etc etc and they rely on a giant web of things that also rely on even more things.  You want the cheeto in chief deciding that ? A M&A guy by most definitions is not essential nor is the local pizza shop but economics makes for strange bed fellows. Its not the case that you can cut off even one little sliver and not have ripple effects through all the other sectors so even the idea of what's essential is alot harder than just I know it when I see it. 

What's your enforcement mechanism ? Rolling out the national guard is extremely dangerous, armed soldiers patrolling streets is bad juju, now add into the mix people that are bored as shit and home for 10 days straight and oh boy could you take a 1 and make it into a 100. The police ? Do the math, in every country on earth that has ever existed you rely entirely upon 99.9 of people doing what their told and if you piss them off even if its for totally justifiable reasons you risk them figuring out there aren't enough people to do the enforcing. Law's and law enforcement are largely illusionary.  

What about the economics of the whole thing ? Does killing 10x as many people over 8 months because the economy took a shitter better than a virus doing it ? What about all the people that live paycheck to paycheck, hourly wages workers ? Going to work for them is essential to feed their families and what not. Five below being open isn't essential but for the person that works there it very well maybe. What about all the people that are in business that rely upon steady weekly income ? Chefs for example, restaurant is closed, rent is due, still gotta eat but you can't collect funemployment and that shit takes weeks to process anyways, plus is the state worker essential ? What about the random who issues the banking card or processes the payments ? You can in the process of trying to prevent deaths by corona cause x1000 deaths if you stall the economy. 

These are difficult questions that are unprecedented in alot of ways. The president, any president would have a fucking hard time with this question, this president just does whatever he thinks makes him popular, he's mostly ignorant and is prone to reactionary behavior so even if the argument is he should have I'm not sure how relevant it is. 

I get the hospital bed math and projections from Italy, from a pure conceptual point of reference I agree with what your saying but you entirely discount the most important part. How ? Its like deep water horizon, everybody bitches when they spill it, almost nobody has any idea how it works, even less people have any ideas on how to improve the process and even less people than that can see that the only fucking reason they are down there drilling and spilling is so that everyone else can do the fucking bitching in the first place. 

The real answer, the real actual answer is to not build a shitty ass society in the first place but that ship sailed and sank long before we were even alive. 

 

I completely understand all of your points. Everything about this is unprecedented. If only there was a warning that this was happening in other countries since December. It shouldn't have gotten to the point it is right now. When this was happening in other countries and starting here Donald was at rallies calling it a hoax and not treating it like the crisis that it was. If the leader of the fucking country doesn't believe it is real, neither will the people who are listening to him. Now look where we are. Nobody wins with a shut down of businesses. Absolutely nobody. 

[toast21602]

17 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

I completely understand all of your points. Everything about this is unprecedented. If only there was a warning that this was happening in other countries since December. It shouldn't have gotten to the point it is right now. When this was happening in other countries and starting here Donald was at rallies calling it a hoax and not treating it like the crisis that it was. If the leader of the fucking country doesn't believe it is real, neither will the people who are listening to him. Now look where we are. Nobody wins with a shut down of businesses. Absolutely nobody. 

I lied earlier. It was 17 days ago he called it a hoax made up by democrats, not two weeks. Sorry. 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Toast how long do you think it will be before life returns to normal???  I’m thinking as long as 6 months. 

[saltyant]

19 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Toast how long do you think it will be before life returns to normal???  I’m thinking as long as 6 months. 

I guess until a vaccine comes out in 18-24 months. Otherwise as soon as everything opens up again, say even 6 months from now, the virus will spread, right?

Edited March 16, 2020 by saltyant

[toast21602]

20 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Toast how long do you think it will be before life returns to normal???  I’m thinking as long as 6 months. 

I'm not an economist or anything even close to that but I think this is going to change the US for years. 

[Shadows]

Healthcare change at least. We had elementary school kids get slaughtered and that didnt change gun laws lol.

[toast21602]

3 minutes ago, Shadows said:

Healthcare change at least. We had elementary school kids get slaughtered and that didnt change gun laws lol.

Our country is fucked. 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

16 minutes ago, toast21602 said:

I'm not an economist or anything even close to that but I think this is going to change the US for years. 

Well there could be a lot more homeless because of this which is sad..

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

12 minutes ago, Shadows said:

Healthcare change at least. We had elementary school kids get slaughtered and that didnt change gun laws lol.

The bad people will just buy guns on the black market. 

[toast21602]

7 minutes ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

The bad people will just buy guns on the black market. 

Probably. That comes with any economic crisis. What makes this worse is that it is an economic and public health crisis. 

[Johnny Law]

1 hour ago, toast21602 said:

I completely understand all of your points. Everything about this is unprecedented. If only there was a warning that this was happening in other countries since December. It shouldn't have gotten to the point it is right now. When this was happening in other countries and starting here Donald was at rallies calling it a hoax and not treating it like the crisis that it was. If the leader of the fucking country doesn't believe it is real, neither will the people who are listening to him. Now look where we are. Nobody wins with a shut down of businesses. Absolutely nobody. 

I dont for one second disagree that he was negligent nor does it forgive his behavior but he ran on that platform so then it would be my fault to expect something else plus and this is a huge plus, it speaks to the actual problem. 

Beyond politics, beyond party human beings have not agreed to address the lynchpin in everything. The economic system in this country is failing not the stock market which is all make believe, the most important make believe buy make belive non the less. It's not failing because of markets or Corona not even poor people. Its failing because its asking too much of humanity and its exposing and widening faults, it's the ice in the cracks of the society we have built. Humans have to have a conversation about what capitalism 2.0 is and particularly debt and banking. 

The economists around here listen just go look at the numbers in personal debt, corporate debt, the fact that the fed has been blowing money into the furnace in a desperate attempt to get to that magic growth number for at least a decade. Where does the math go ? Exponential growth at 3% is a doubling rate of 31 years ? Check my math but the problem in this economy is the why in the inventing new money. New markets new products new people are not entirely keeping up with need to invent new money. That's CDS magic in 2008, it was a reason to make new money with almost no natural limit because it wasn't reliant on an actual physical resource.

Capitalism isn't bad but parts of this have to change or humans will inevitably implode under the pressure. This directly relates to Corona, all the shit I was talking about in the previous post, heath care, how it moved across the world and where it came from, there is a thread that ties them all together.

What for the life of me is that I can't understand ever is the under pinning of the shit that really can cause chaos at a global level, shit like wall street is 90% made up. Its not physics, who else cares ? Aliens ? Other animals ? Then why not have a conversation about how we can stop rigging the system for .1% of us but for all of us. Make the system serve humans not the other way around.

I am at some level a servant to the economic system, I exist to serve it not the other way around. Anyone ask yourself the same. This system is for humans by humans of humans so why the fuck does it not serve humans ?

That's the problem, corona is go around 968679992 of just another symptom of the disease. 

[theprogram4]

While I agree with quarantining and the serious health implications, I truly believe the loss of life from the economic crisis will be higher than the loss of life from the virus itself.  

[NMSKI]

4 hours ago, GrilledSteezeSandwich said:

Yeah like 75% of the PASR men don’t wash their hands after they pee..maybe more since most do their pissing in the lot and plenty lick their fingers while eating..

I wash my penis after I pee, because it was clean before my dirty hands touched it.  It had been safe and sound covered by clean underwear until pulling it out with possibly filthy hands that have been touching rails, handling money, etc.  

[saltyant]

Just now, NMSKI said:

I wash my penis after I pee

TFTI

[toast21602]

39 minutes ago, theprogram4 said:

While I agree with quarantining and the serious health implications, I truly believe the loss of life from the economic crisis will be higher than the loss of life from the virus itself.  

We’ll never know 🤷‍♂️
If you don’t do something, COVID will result in more medical deaths than from the virus itself because of lack of resources, beds, etc. 

It’s just an ugly situation either way. 

[Shadows]

I never really touch my dick when I pee. No need to 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

1 hour ago, toast21602 said:

Probably. That comes with any economic crisis. What makes this worse is that it is an economic and public health crisis. 

Toast this is one of my friends comments about this...someone who says well Lehigh county only has 5 cases and the worst of it will be over in 2 weeks..italy only had 5 cases 4 weeks ago.  

 

“I kind of am nonchalant I mean at this point nothing anyone can do”

 

Attitudes like this by people even more stubborn than me are why we are fucked. 

Edited March 16, 2020 by GrilledSteezeSandwich

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

19 minutes ago, Shadows said:

I never really touch my dick when I pee. No need to 

I’ve tried that before and ended up peeing on myself