Does this mean what I think it does?

[Papasteeze]

PARA's membership deadline is approaching. Eligibility for post season derby invitations requires an athlete to submit his/her membership application postmarked by January 15, 2006. Renewing members who submit after January 1 must also include a $10 late fee. New members are exempt from the late fee, but must register by deadline

 

 

WTF am I confused? Please tell me that I am, and that this is not some type of membership that is in addition to what I have already enrolled the boys in.

[Ski]

PARA's membership deadline is approaching. Eligibility for post season derby invitations requires an athlete to submit his/her membership application postmarked by January 15, 2006. Renewing members who submit after January 1 must also include a $10 late fee. New members are exempt from the late fee, but must register by deadline

WTF am I confused? Please tell me that I am, and that this is not some type of membership that is in addition to what I have already enrolled the boys in.

 

Memberships PA kids should have:

 

USSA

PARA

Club (CAT Team)

[sibhusky]

Here in Northern Division, we pay

 

USSA

Northern Division

BMRT (team)

FIS

 

The last one is strictly due to Siblet's age level. By the way, the Alpine Competitor and FIS dues are WAY bigger as you get older. Alpine Competitor is $125 compared to Youth Competitor of $60. Then FIS is another $80 if you register in August, but $180 if you wait until 8/16. Then Northern is $15 if you do it early, but $30 if you wait until October. Consider yourself lucky.

 

By the way, I've become part of the divisional group here and there is NO money being made. We have ONE paid (part time) position, the rest is all volunteers. Believe me, the paid person puts in a full week of work for her part time pay. Paperwork for races, working with quotas, intent forms, insurance, etc. takes a lot of time and is needed, not optional. We are going to be upping our fee to probably $30/$50 for next year due to operating costs.

 

By the way, this is covered on the team website: http://www.catteam.com/page4.html . If you didn't FAX in your membership YESTERDAY, then according to their rules, your kids can't be in derbies. Now, if I were you, I'd be lifting up the phone right this minute to call someone at PARA to plead for forgiveness and get that money in.

Edited January 17, 2006 by sibhusky

[Ski]

Why don't I see an athlete profile for Ridge in the USSA athlete lookup? Hopefully that's just lag time in posting...

[skidude]

Do they just do that for J3,1-2s? Or all age groups?

[sibhusky]

They should list him as a competitor even though he hasn't been in scored races. And he is listed, member number 6057962. Use the Member Lookup feature, not the Athlete History.

 

By the way, looking back, I mentioned a PARA card back on January 5th. If you didn't have one, you should have asked then.

 

http://www.paskiandride.com/forums/index.p...indpost&p=51500

Edited January 17, 2006 by sibhusky

[sibhusky]

By the way, I looked on the CAT team message board and back in October you were saying that PARA required the USSA number. So I would think that meant that you were doing that back in October. Maybe you should check your checkbook.

[Ski]

Hmmm, I had no idea that members weren't listed under 'athlete lookup'. I figured coaches and maybe Masters. Oh, well, learn something new...

[sibhusky]

There's Member Lookup and Athlete History, no Athlete Lookup.....

[skidude]

Hmmm, I had no idea that members weren't listed under 'athlete lookup'. I figured coaches and maybe Masters. Oh, well, learn something new...

 

I never really knew (or paid attention to) that either.

 

Is there anyway to see results from all the races J4-5s have done?

[sibhusky]

Only on PARA. Since the full competitor fee isn't paid, you get fewer features. Non scored race also means non listed results.

[Ski]

Sib, it's quite obvious that it's been a long time since you've taken a 5yr old skiing and then to China Buffet...it does things to your brain.

 

'Dude, I think you have to go to the various club websites to view unscored races. They aren't posted nationaly.

[Papasteeze]

Memberships PA kids should have:

 

USSA

PARA

Club (CAT Team)

 

 

Okay we have those, it's just that the way it was written, it made it look like there was some type of additional fee in order to be eligible to ski in the post season derbies.

 

So the fees I paid way back in early Fall covers them all season..... One fee per year

 

I think Nipples is gonna race to get some results, for the record on his USSA number. Since it doesn't look as though I can get him to any FS events this year. He has an FS number and an Alpine number.

 

Is there anyway to see results from all the races J4-5s have done?

 

The only info I can find on him is on PARA - BTW There has only been one race and Ridge placed 5th so why is he Fourth overall?

Edited January 17, 2006 by Papasteeze

[sibhusky]

For J4's and 5's in PARA, each run is like its own race, rather than the combined runs. They use World Cup points to determine derby standings. George Risi, who beat Ridge in run 1, apparently didn't finish run 2, so Ridge moved up. At some point they drop some of the individual scores and only take the best x number or something, so Risi could still end up ahead of Ridge.

 

"Eastern and Northeastern Regions – Qualification to J3 and J4-5 Championship events will be based on World Cup Points earned in the racer’s best of one less than half of the individual runs held from regional qualifier races. The applicable PARA Region Chair will compile the results from the qualifier races held within each region."

Edited January 17, 2006 by sibhusky

[Ski]

Because each run counts. The overall time of the race isn't important, other than for that day. It's best to go all out on every run as a J4/5; better to win one run and crash in the other, than to have a couple of 7th places finishes.

 

It looks like Ridge had a 7th and 4th place run, for 86 total points on the WC scale.

 

And then, I believe it's the best of one less than half the runs that are counted. So out of 8 runs, they'll take the top three runs (which is one less than half).

[Papasteeze]

"Eastern and Northeastern Regions ? Qualification to J3 and J4-5 Championship events will be based on World Cup Points earned in the racer?s best of one less than half of the individual runs held from regional qualifier races. The applicable PARA Region Chair will compile the results from the qualifier races held within each region."

 

 

It looks like Ridge had a 7th and 4th place run, for 86 total points on the WC scale.

 

And then, I believe it's the best of one less than half the runs that are counted. So out of 8 runs, they'll take the top three runs (which is one less than half).

 

I think I understand, but it took both of you saying the same thing in different ways to understand. THANKS!!

 

Question - if you look at the J4 race schedule, there are races at 7 springs and Tussey - shouldn't he be going to those too?

 

Based on the way the points work - the more he races, the better the chance of a higher finish however, I don't understand why those 7 Springs and tussey races do not appear to be a factor in the overall results. Is roundtop, 7 springs, tussey in a different division?

 

How large is the typical field of competitors at the state Derbies?

[sibhusky]

Generally you only race in the races close to home at the J4 level: Elk, BB, JF, CB, Blue, Shawnee, etc. I think you can go to the other races in western PA, but we never did. An interesting item is that there are two groups (regions) of ski areas that you will be racing at and you only use the competitors from your own group (Northeast) when you do first, second, third, and you ignore the others. I can't remember which ski areas are in which group, but I am sure you can find it on the site. But, as an example, if Blue, BB, and JF are in the same group as CB, you would ignore the presence of Elk and Shawnee (or whoever is in the Eastern region) competitors when you try to figure out your WC points.

 

Example

 

1 - Blue

2 - Shawnee

3 - Blue

4 - Elk

5 - CB

6 - CB

7 - JF

 

The CB skier's WC points would be like they were in 3rd and 4th place, not 5th and 6th. Sure both groups are racing each other, but it is like the other group isn't there. The quotas apply to each group and not the combined groups, which is how they are racing. Very confusing, I know, but it gives the ability to provide lots of races but each area only has to hold one race. Otherwise you might have to have 3 or 4 races per mountain.

Edited January 17, 2006 by sibhusky

[Papasteeze]

So there is no advantage to have him race everywhere he can other than gaining experience. 7 springs is 30 minutes farther than ELK, driving time from his school location. not that big of deal

 

Confusing? yes, but I think I understand the concept. I'll check into it more tomorrow.

Edited January 17, 2006 by Papasteeze

[sibhusky]

Actually, in reading the PARA guide, it seems like there are designated qualifier races for each region, so if you go to a race in another region, they may let you race, but it will not count as a qualifier for you. So, you would get nothing out of traveling to 7 Springs other than experience....in theory. However, I remember Siblet qualifying for derbies using races she had gone to that were not qualifiers for her. She was tied with some other girls, so they started looking at her "extra" races and it was her performance in them that allowed her to go to derbies. Where she got killed by the competition, I might add. If you barely qualify, maybe you shouldn't be there is the moral of the story. (She just experienced this again in a FIS-U race where most of the competitors were from overseas.)

 

Looking at Ridge's performance at JF, I would assume he would make derbies easily, so there is something to be said for going to training rather than racing extra races.