Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 You sure sound anti-racing, Rob. Is Ridge even bothering to race this year since it sucks so bad? Oh, and regarding parenting and athletics? I have a kid that's on a pretty decent sports scholarship to the 13th oldest college in America. Think you have any hope in Hell of topping that FACT? She earned it from her years as a team captain, btw.
Papasteeze Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Posted October 28, 2006 You sure sound anti-racing, Rob. Is Ridge even bothering to race this year since it sucks so bad? Oh, and regarding parenting and athletics? I have a kid that's on a pretty decent sports scholarship to the 13th oldest college in America. Think you have any hope in Hell of topping that FACT? She earned it from her years as a team captain, btw. LOL - so that is what it is, you are trying to prove your worthiness by your daughters skiing accomplishments? and since you have tuition subsidized by obtaining a position on a team, I should follow the same path for my kids as evidenced by your success? LOL! OMG.... King Cole has spoken......... ALL
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Jeez, Dh...okay, let's make it football. Pop Warner football is FAR more dangerous than snowboarding. Does that work for you? Kids playing football don't pick their teams for the swag they get, but for the LOVE OF THE GAME. And people don't snowboard to get free gear. What's your point? You're comparing an entire team sport to individual competition that maybe a half a percent of snowboarders are a part. If snowboarding competition is all about gear then why does it continue to flourish while most people who played Pop Warner football won't even look at a football after high school/college unless it's being thrown by a guy being paid $25 million a year? Who's really in it "for the love of the sport?" You're also ignoring the fact that kids under the age of 18 are capable of many things that people twice their age are doing. If a 12 year old kid is doing the same tricks on the same features as a 24 year old why shouldn't they receive the same rewards? Should we limit what they receive simply because they are young and should be competiting for reasons other than monetary gain or free gear? You'll never see a 14 year old in any major professional sport (outside of soccer) in the US, yet minors are popping up in pro snowboard comps with a terrifying frequency. And I stand by any statement about coaching and parenting where swag should NOT be used as the motivating factor in competition. I agree with that, but it'd be nice to watch you say it without tacking "p.s. you suck at parenting lol" at the end of it. DH: do you have ANY experience in parenting little kids? Unless you've woken your kid up at 4am before a competition, you aren't terribly qualified in that part of the discussion. Historically any experiences that I've mentioned on this forum has been immediately cut down, trivialized, then ignored by you, so I won't bother talking about parenting. What I will ask is this; do you have ANY experience in freestyle skiing or snowboarding competition? Unless you've entered or judged one you aren't terribly qualified in that part of the discussion, so please stop shitting up this thread. Oh, and to respond to your first post in this thread; kids who want to be the best are turned off by lack of prizes because those contests usually have a less competitive field when compared to contests with better prizes. Oh, and regarding parenting and athletics? I have a kid that's on a pretty decent sports scholarship to the 13th oldest college in America. Think you have any hope in Hell of topping that FACT? She earned it from her years as a team captain, btw. ahahahahahahahahahahahahah holy shit ahahahahahaha
Papasteeze Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Posted October 28, 2006 Oh, and to respond to your first post in this thread; kids who want to be the best are turned off by lack of prizes because those contests usually have a less competitive field when compared to contests with better prizes. WORD![/b] Which brings us full circle and I hope CB is listening. If they want to have a really sick 3 day USASA event and get some membership to thier new program, then I hope that they have some really fantastic swag to bring out the talent to thier event. For all they are investing with the new programs, I would hate to see them get hung up on some penny ante party favors. It is such a small thing in the big picture to get the participation and stoke up!
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) If they want to have a really sick 3 day USASA event and get some membership to thier new program, then I hope that they have some really fantastic swag to bring out the talent to thier event. If CB wants to have a real sick 3 day USASA event and get membership to their new program then I hope they have a solid slopestyle course and a freshly-cut pipe with near-flawless transition. Personally I could really care less about what prizes USASA contests offer because there is no way I would compete for that organization. If CB wants to have private competitions that have nothing to do with bloated, overpriced, spin-to-win competitions run by former soccer moms then they're going to have to pony up some decent prizes if they want serious talent to show. There is an installed base of competetors for USASA and I don't think that there is much that would chip away from that base. When Mom searches Google for "amature youth snowboard contest" she's going to find USASA* and little Billy is going to be hucking no-grab tens for the gold in no time. * and a bunch of porn sites, apparently Edited October 28, 2006 by DHarrisburg
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 ahahahahahahahahahahahahah holy shit ahahahahahaha And what college are you attending? Not sure you should be laughing so hard, DH.
snorovr Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 DH: do you have ANY experience in parenting little kids? .............you aren't terribly qualified in that part of the discussion. You got any experience in the newschool movement outside of your observations? Coaching a freeride team, helping run comps, working in the park, etc...
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 And what college are you attending? Not sure you should be laughing so hard, DH. Oh man, you're right! You know what, I bet it's all my parents fault, those bastards. Have you ever heard the term "clutching at strings?"
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 LOL - so that is what it is, you are trying to prove your worthiness by your daughters skiing accomplishments? and since you have tuition subsidized by obtaining a position on a team, I should follow the same path for my kids as evidenced by your success? LOL! OMG.... King Cole has spoken......... ALL My daughter EARNED a scholarship as part of a state championship cross country team, as well as academics. Cross country works quite a bit like skiing, Rob, where they compete as a team, but strive for individual results. If you'd like tips on setting a path toward earning college scholarships, I could help. But maybe they'll just follow in whatever your footsteps were...
Papasteeze Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Posted October 28, 2006 Have you ever heard the term "clutching at strings?" errr... grasping at straws?
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Oh man, you're right! You know what, I bet it's all my parents fault, those bastards. Have you ever heard the term "clutching at strings?" I've heard of many more terms than you. And I feel sorry for you, DH. But maybe you'll be stronger for the uphill battle you've set for yourself. I wish you luck, since I really don't dislike you. You got any experience in the newschool movement outside of your observations? Coaching a freeride team, helping run comps, working in the park, etc... Doesn't matter what sport you coach, freeridintre. Kids are all the same. I've coached kids that were four years old, on up to 21 yrs. I helped run an alpine program for about six seasons, as well as coached soccer and baseball for more than a dozen years. Kids are all the same.
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 I've heard of many more terms than you. And I feel sorry for you, DH. But maybe you'll be stronger for the uphill battle you've set for yourself. I wish you luck, since I really don't dislike you. What fun is life if you always take the easy road?
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 If CB wants to have private competitions that have nothing to do with bloated, overpriced, spin-to-win competitions run by former soccer moms then they're going to have to pony up some decent prizes if they want serious talent to show. Soccer moms would do a better job for the kids than you in the long run...shame you didn't have one, since they are GREAT. What fun is life if you always take the easy road? Maybe it seems like the easy road from the outside. Sorry, I just really believe in education. Honestly, DH, you're one blown knee from what? Some guy living in a box in Telluride, bitching about the tourists and trying to get people to listen to stories about how great you used to be? EDIT: That's a real question, DH. Don't answer if it's too personal, but I'm genuinely curious.
Papasteeze Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Posted October 28, 2006 Doesn't matter what sport you coach, freeridintre. Kids are all the same. I've coached kids that were four years old, on up to 21 yrs. I helped run an alpine program for about six seasons, as well as coached soccer and baseball for more than a dozen years. Kids are all the same. wow, are you really that screwed up to think that? No wonder you talk the way you do. I am so glad that you will never be a coach for my kids.
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 wow, are you really that screwed up to think that? No wonder you talk the way you do. I am so glad that you will never be a coach for my kids. Rob, your kids would last 40 seconds on one of my teams. Listen: kids are all the same, whether they are black or white or yellow or red. They are the same in Japan as they are in America. Kids are kids. I know something like that is hard to understand, but you should really try. You give them respect, then demand it back from them. There's your starting point. What, did you think I meant they were all the same size? Not the sharpest tack, eh, Rob?
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Maybe it seems like the easy road from the outside. Sorry, I just really believe in education. Honestly, DH, you're one blown knee from what? Some guy living in a box in Telluride, bitching about the tourists and trying to get people to listen to stories about how great you used to be? EDIT: That's a real question, DH. Don't answer if it's too personal, but I'm genuinely curious. Once again you're making gross assumptions about me that are completely unfounded. What makes you think that since I didn't go to college immediately after High School I will never go? I'm looking forward to futhering my education but I feel that this isn't the best time for me to do it. I'm one blown knee from getting surgery, three months of rehab, and then being back on the snow. To be quite honest I'll take snowboarding every day from a box in Tahoe over crunching numbers for JP Morgan 9-5 any day.
Papasteeze Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Posted October 28, 2006 Rob, your kids would last 40 seconds on one of my teams. You're right, they don't have any interest in team sports.
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Once again you're making gross assumptions about me that are completely unfounded. What makes you think that since I didn't go to college immediately after High School I will never go? I'm looking forward to futhering my education but I feel that this isn't the best time for me to do it. I'm one blown knee from getting surgery, three months of rehab, and then being back on the snow. To be quite honest I'll take snowboarding every day from a box in Tahoe over crunching numbers for JP Morgan 9-5 any day. I've heard there are other high paying jobs out there that don't involve tiny offices. Actually, I meant a blown knee that doesn't rehab. Heck, I'm even curious how you afford medical insurance, since it's a sh*tty expense for me as a "private contractor". But nevermind, DH...I'll ask in a less hostile thread some other time. It's pretty much time to wrap this garbage up... You're right, they don't have any interest in team sports. Yeah, I know. Sorry to hear.
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 I've heard there are other high paying jobs out there that don't involve tiny offices. Yeah, I heard shooting senior portraits pays pretty well, I might have to look into that Actually, I meant a blown knee that doesn't rehab. Heck, I'm even curious how you afford medical insurance, since it's a sh*tty expense for me as a "private contractor". I thought I already answered that in another thread; I can't afford medical. Thank goodness for Medi-Cal. If I get hurt I'll most likely end up in the hole for a few years. I miss my full benefits from the hospital.
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Yeah, I heard shooting senior portraits pays pretty well, I might have to look into that Is that a cut? I'm not totally sure 'cause making $300 to $400 a day working less than three hours is better money than I made right out of law school. I just don't have a passion for either, which is why I only shoot sports. Cool that California has programs like that...
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 Just do what you like..you only live once..arguing on a skiing website is pointless..unless it's about ski area statistics or if Blue mountains park is better than Bear Creek or Camelbacks Park...it is.. I heard that a resort in Pennsylvania has the steepest trail on the East Coast CONFIRM/DENY Is that a cut? Hahaha I was not trying to be a dick if that's what you're asking.
Glenn Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 And I stand by any statement about coaching and parenting where swag should NOT be used as the motivating factor in competition. If competition was the focus of the sport I would agree. The focus of improvement and more importantly focus on style really isn't to do well in competitions. The end goal is video parts. It's not a pure sport, treating it as if it were is probably not the best thing in the world. The swag things comes into play when... you can use day X to either go to a competition where you take two runs and win something (or nothing if the prizes aren't that great) or spend the day filming or working out new tricks. The sport can survive without the competitions, the competitions can't survive without the swag... make sense? I totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree. Teaching kids to go after that , at the same time, understand the competition isn't the be all end all in modern freestyle riding, as it is in say racing, or even mogul/aerial. I'm not sure what the reference to skydiving really was meant to say show. I think at least snowboarding parallels skateboarding much more though. The scene is really about kids finding spots to ride, and filming. Tony hawk is the huge name is skateboarding, but the heart of the sport is in spots and videos. Another analogy.... Freestyle is the garage band compared to the school orchestra. The idea isn't to get really proficient at the instrument and meet some prior standard of musical excellence (although some garage band musicians will work hard and become proficient, it isn't necessary). Garage bands are more about finding gigs to play, making a few bucks, and if you're lucky finding some groupies. I did both in high school, and they served two totally different purposes. I think as a parent if you are really looking at freestyle as a structured sport to help the work ethic and development of your child you're looking in the wrong place (ie the pure sport). On the other hand, if you as a parent view the freestyle scene as a place were a kid can have some fun, show off some talent and maybe experience some cool stuff (winning prizes, getting movie parts, sponsors) then you will be alright. All that not to say racing can't be a blast or that there aren't freestyler's who work really hard and are disciplined. Then again... I'm not a parent or ever plan to be. I could be way off base with what is appropriate for kids.
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 I heard that a resort in Pennsylvania has the steepest trail on the East Coast CONFIRM/DENY Hahaha I was not trying to be a dick if that's what you're asking. I just didn't understand what you meant. The sports guys, as well as the candid guys that wander the college and high school halls, give the senior photogs sh*t all the time. Our senior photogs will check into a motel for a week, taking more than 10,000 senior portraits at some of out bigger colleges. I would die from that. I would CONFIRM that it is among the top 20 steepest trails in the East.
DHarrisburg Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 I just didn't understand what you meant. The sports guys, as well as the candid guys that wander the college and high school halls, give the senior photogs sh*t all the time. Our senior photogs will check into a motel for a week, taking more than 10,000 senior portraits at some of out bigger colleges. I would die from that. Stick me in a motel for a month and I'll shoot portraits until my finger falls off, then take off to the mountains for the winter.
Ski Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 If competition was the focus of the sport I would agree. The focus of improvement and more importantly focus on style really isn't to do well in competitions. The end goal is video parts. It's not a pure sport, treating it as if it were is probably not the best thing in the world. The swag things comes into play when... you can use day X to either go to a competition where you take two runs and win something (or nothing if the prizes aren't that great) or spend the day filming or working out new tricks. The sport can survive without the competitions, the competitions can't survive without the swag... make sense? I totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree. Teaching kids to go after that , at the same time, understand the competition isn't the be all end all in modern freestyle riding, as it is in say racing, or even mogul/aerial. I'm not sure what the reference to skydiving really was meant to say show. I think at least snowboarding parallels skateboarding much more though. The scene is really about kids finding spots to ride, and filming. Tony hawk is the huge name is skateboarding, but the heart of the sport is in spots and videos. Another analogy.... Freestyle is the garage band compared to the school orchestra. The idea isn't to get really proficient at the instrument and meet some prior standard of musical excellence (although some garage band musicians will work hard and become proficient, it isn't necessary). Garage bands are more about finding gigs to play, making a few bucks, and if you're lucky finding some groupies. I did both in high school, and they served two totally different purposes. I think as a parent if you are really looking at freestyle as a structured sport to help the work ethic and development of your child you're looking in the wrong place (ie the pure sport). On the other hand, if you as a parent view the freestyle scene as a place were a kid can have some fun, show off some talent and maybe experience some cool stuff (winning prizes, getting movie parts, sponsors) then you will be alright. All that not to say racing can't be a blast or that there aren't freestyler's who work really hard and are disciplined. Then again... I'm not a parent or ever plan to be. I could be way off base with what is appropriate for kids. Well put. As to skydiving, I guess you have to be familiar with the comps they hold, where judges view the footage after the jump. The photog jumps with the diver, then the diver performs tricks. It's a pretty niche sport, to say the least. And my take the freestyle comps are as they relate to this thread, really. CB is stepping up their program to make it much more substantial, with cross training in gates. Sounds less like something a garage band kid would be into and more like a grass roots program. At many of the traditional ski racing academies, they've started freestyle programs. Absolutely rigorous morning/afternoon mountain training, then late afternoon classes. Stick me in a motel for a month and I'll shoot portraits until my finger falls off, then take off to the mountains for the winter. whore (j/k)
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